Het albino retic question - Page 4

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 01:09 PM

Pet Peeve huh? Sorry, my mistake that they perhaps called it something else? Yes Pearls were created with a HG Woma

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 01:10 PM

Edited as to not offend you . ..

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 01:12 PM

Lethal Ball Python combos Part 2 - YouTube watch this to learn more on lethal combos in ball python.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 01:17 PM

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Lethal Ball Python combos Part 2 - YouTube watch this to learn more on lethal combos in ball python.

Too bad it's McCurly in the video. One of the shadiest people out there.

My favourite part about that video is Raphy mentions at the start "You need to know about the negative aspects". He hid the wobble for a long time until he couldn't anymore.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 01:31 PM

Mojave x Lesser or x Butter or X Russo = Blue eyed Lucy, they are from the same Blue Eyed Lucy Complex (Russo is actually called White Diamond)

Yellow Belly x Yellow Belly = Ivory

PlattyxPlatty in retics = Ivory
Fire x Fire in retics (bob clark platty) = Ultra Ivory or Black eyed lucy

Just to keep retic genetics in this to stay on topic ;-)

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 01:35 PM

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Mojave x Lesser or x Butter or X Russo = Blue eyed Lucy, they are from the same Blue Eyed Lucy Complex (Russo is actually called White Diamond)

Yellow Belly x Yellow Belly = Ivory

PlattyxPlatty in retics = Ivory
Fire x Fire in retics (bob clark platty) = Ultra Ivory or Black eyed lucy

Just to keep retic genetics in this to stay on topic ;-)

So 2 mojaves cannot make a blue eyed leucy? I thought BELs were "super mojaves"

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 01:45 PM

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So 2 mojaves cannot make a blue eyed leucy? I thought BELs were "super mojaves"

He just meant any of them combined. There's also other genes that work in there too. The mystic/phantom/specials. It's a pretty big complex.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:10 PM

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He just meant any of them combined. There's also other genes that work in there too. The mystic/phantom/specials. It's a pretty big complex.

Yep, exactly I did mean Mojave x Mojave would work.

And Aaron, I'm sorry but Mystic? Phantom? Specials? You're not implying that they are a BEL complex eh? These are all potion complexes. . . Mystic Potion, Purple Passions, etc. etc.

Sorry wanted to get clarified on this.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:17 PM

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Yep, exactly I did mean Mojave x Mojave would work.

And Aaron, I'm sorry but Mystic? Phantom? Specials? You're not implying that they are a BEL complex eh? These are all potion complexes. . . Mystic Potion, Purple Passions, etc. etc.

Sorry wanted to get clarified on this.

They're close. The potion complex is related to the BluEL complex. Reason being is that the potions are "super" forms. I'd say sisters.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 01:32 PM

oh and Fire x Fire in ball pythons = Black eyed Lucy just to throw that in there

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 01:51 PM

Yea I may need that lesson after all....

Maybe I should start another thread I kind of hijacked this one....

But no need to stop now I guess (Wayne, Alesia you can move this to a new thread if you want I'm just too lazy to start another one)

So I have a normal male, he was sold to me AS a normal male no hets or anything but he's greenish. When I asked a breeder about it he said my normal *could* be the result of a clutch with other morphs in it which would mean it would be het for a gene that other siblings in his clutch would have been visual representations of... Right?

The only way to tell for sure would be to breed him out. But not knowing what he could be shmushed with how would I decide what to breed him to? (I'm not actually going to breed him I'm just working through a mental exercise) and then see what pops out

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:01 PM

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Yea I may need that lesson after all....

Maybe I should start another thread I kind of hijacked this one....

But no need to stop now I guess (Wayne, Alesia you can move this to a new thread if you want I'm just too lazy to start another one)

So I have a normal male, he was sold to me AS a normal male no hets or anything but he's greenish. When I asked a breeder about it he said my normal *could* be the result of a clutch with other morphs in it which would mean it would be het for a gene that other siblings in his clutch would have been visual representations of... Right?

The only way to tell for sure would be to breed him out. But not knowing what he could be shmushed with how would I decide what to breed him to? (I'm not actually going to breed him I'm just working through a mental exercise) and then see what pops out

It's rather difficult to say. Personally, I believe it's just a normal with a different hue to him. If you look at a group of normals you'll see many variances in pattern and colour. It happens.

At one time, morphs, in particular pastels and the like, were priced on grading. Even though they produce the same stuff.

You'd need to track down the breeding lineage a bit more. I know of a lot of het males that get sold as normals.

**millertime89** · 11-27-12, 02:06 PM

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Yea I may need that lesson after all....

Maybe I should start another thread I kind of hijacked this one....

But no need to stop now I guess (Wayne, Alesia you can move this to a new thread if you want I'm just too lazy to start another one)

So I have a normal male, he was sold to me AS a normal male no hets or anything but he's greenish. When I asked a breeder about it he said my normal *could* be the result of a clutch with other morphs in it which would mean it would be het for a gene that other siblings in his clutch would have been visual representations of... Right?

The only way to tell for sure would be to breed him out. But not knowing what he could be shmushed with how would I decide what to breed him to? (I'm not actually going to breed him I'm just working through a mental exercise) and then see what pops out

Normal what? BP? Boa? It could be a het, depending on what it's parents are, but without knowing what the parents are and without a massive breeding project and/or some serious luck there's no real way of knowing. Without knowing the parents its a total crapshoot what to breed it to.

If you have a het bred to a het you *should* get 25% of the offspring visuals, 50% hets, and 25% normals. The real problem there is you don't know which of the non-visual babies are hets, which is why you see possible hets (het to het makes 66% poss. het) listed for sale. The percents are fun to try and figure out.

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:10 PM

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Normal what? BP? Boa? It could be a het, depending on what it's parents are, but without knowing what the parents are and without a massive breeding project and/or some serious luck there's no real way of knowing. Without knowing the parents its a total crapshoot what to breed it to.

If you have a het bred to a het you *should* get 25% of the offspring visuals, 50% hets, and 25% normals. The real problem there is you don't know which of the non-visual babies are hets, which is why you see possible hets (het to het makes 66% poss. het) listed for sale. The percents are fun to try and figure out.

Yea its my BP

Thanks Kyle. I am not set up for such a project though he's just my cooky BP I was using him as a thought experiment to test my understanding of how hets work

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:12 PM

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The real problem there is you don't know which of the non-visual babies are hets, which is why you see possible hets (het to het makes 66% poss. het) listed for sale. The percents are fun to try and figure out.

read my previous post about hets ;-)