New Burmese Python Owner Seeks Advice... - Page 4

Smilts · 01-27-09, 04:36 PM

I felt the same at the time Chu and still do. I meant the reference to size as a example of what I believed to be malnutrition do to a similar diet. Back on TOPIC Sane I hope you are willing and able to follow the advice here.

Chu'Wuti · 01-27-09, 06:19 PM

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I meant the reference to size as a example of what I believed to be malnutrition do to a similar diet.

It's definitely a good example. I also wonder how much longer that poor snake lived after you saw it. The slow/poor growth would be only an outward indication of poor nutrition; there would be many invisible effects, too.

I don't think this was at all off topic, either, as the point we're all trying to make is that chicken, even raw, is not an appropriate diet for an animal that did not evolve on chicken and whose nutritional needs will not be met by chicken.

**Aaron_S** · 01-27-09, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chu'Wuti

I don't think this was at all off topic, either, as the point we're all trying to make is that chicken, even raw, is not an appropriate diet for an animal that did not evolve on chicken and whose nutritional needs will not be met by chicken.

Don't get confused but I only mean chicken raised for human consumption in the supermarket. Plenty of people goto farmers markets and buy chickens for their large snakes. They grow exceptionally well on it. You just need to get them whole, feathers and all, from a farmer's market.

Sane · 01-28-09, 01:40 AM

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Don't get confused but I only mean chicken raised for human consumption in the supermarket. Plenty of people goto farmers markets and buy chickens for their large snakes. They grow exceptionally well on it. You just need to get them whole, feathers and all, from a farmer's market.

SEE you said it yourself. now if you had listened and not assumed you wouldnt be looking stupid right now.

Kmef07 · 01-27-09, 06:33 PM

Guys and Gals I think we scared her away. lol.

My biggest problem is what Citysnakes touched on if she is just feeding cooked chicken breasts to her snake then that snake is not getting any calcium along with a ton of other vitamins and minerals im sure.
Sane, I think you need to just bite the bullet and get some frozen rats. Buy them in bulk and have them shipped from somewhere if you can't find any local supplies. There are a lot of shows you can get them from down that way about twice a month. if not i have a breeder friend that will beat any price out there and he ships cheep or cincy is close enough you can drive to get them. the frozen ones are already dead and are killed much faster than the chicken was. also it will make your snake happier and healthier.

Smilts · 01-27-09, 07:15 PM

Thats my plan for feeding Kronos (BCC) when he is full grown

Chu'Wuti · 01-27-09, 08:04 PM

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You just need to get them whole, feathers and all, from a farmer's market.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Nutritional needs will not be met by cooked chicken/chicken parts. The snake evolved on eating whole animals.

Ack.

**Aaron_S** · 01-27-09, 08:40 PM

Alright I just wanted to clarify my point on chicken feedings is all

Kmef07 · 01-28-09, 03:41 AM

I have never been speechless in my whole life until now. lol. I think this thread is about to get really nasty.lol

Sane · 01-28-09, 03:49 AM

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I have never been speechless in my whole life until now. lol. I think this thread is about to get really nasty.lol

Only if everyone wants to keep being dramafied morons.

i personally am done. They can end it now and stop talking to me or stop talking crap to me, or i will tell them exactly what i think yet again and leave the forum completely. either way im happy.

siz · 01-28-09, 09:16 AM

Sane, you're being extremely rude. As Coy said, if YOU "know it all" don't ask all the questions that you did and expect a positive response.
It's hard to take you seriously when you are speaking the way you are and asking if you should feed your snake chicken breasts.
You won't be able to feed mice, too small, you're looking at rats and rabbits +.

I have some other things to say to you but maybe I'll just keep them to myself at this point..

**Aaron_S** · 01-28-09, 10:24 AM

First of all yes I have kept burmese pythons. So I am not just spouting information randomly.

Secondly, I gave advice and answered your questions with the information I was given! Don't come here and call anyone names based on their answers when you NEVER told us in the first place that these chickens were grown on a private farm and handed over to you with feathers and all. Which is the way the prey needs to be fed. If your friends know so much they would then know that the snake won't get anything from eating the raw chicken. They don't get samonella.

Pet stores are terrible resources for snake keeping so your arguments hold no water when it's backed up with pet store people.

So take a picture of the HUGE enclosure? Oh...you only use a 75 gal "picture taking" tank? Really? Until I see this new enclosure I am going to presume you just keep it in the 75 gal since you have substrate, logs and a heating lamp placed over it.

You can't train a snake. It's never happened before and probably never will. A snake that 'lays' with another snake in the same enclosure isn't trying to be cuddly. Snakes do it because it's probably where the hot spot is in the cage, or the best hiding spot. In the wild, which is were science gets it's information a lot of the time, they aren't found to be communal animals at all. They live alone and only search one another out for breeding.

You also need to know that if any of your friends apparantly have a snake over 30 feet long and can prove it, there's a 50 thousand dollar reward still out there I believe. It's been out there for over a decade solely because any snake over 30 feet is exceptionally difficult to find. Only a retic would most likely make it past the 30 foot mark. A burm would be considered massive at 20 feet. Usually people really don't measure their snakes properly.

**Aaron_S** · 01-28-09, 10:28 AM

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I am a 27 yr old female from the US, I have had alot of friends with snakes and learned a few things over the years, And have always wanted my own. Well I just bought a 8 ft Burmese Python from a friend of mine.

So here in this post, the original, it says that you have always wanted your own. So with your own words everyone here thought this was your first snake. Again, noone can read your mind or knows anything more than what you put here in this post so we base our answers off this.

angie_85 · 01-28-09, 04:11 PM

I know I shouldn't really say much here but I have seen so much contradiction that I think Sane should go back and read her first post. One thing you did say was that you wanted to be able to take her out by yourself, and you now say that you never would. Read the whole thread through because people are just going by what you said. Also if you want people to take you seriously, try not cursing, be respectful, and if you ask for advice expect people to give it to you. People here don't like my first post either, and think that I am stupid, but I asked for opinions and got them. If you already knew everything, you should have asked whatever you wanted to know and that's it. The people on here are not stupid, they are very experienced, which is why I too came asking questions. Sure they can be a bit rude and somewhat hostile themselves, but try and respect everyone's opinions. I can also say that seeing this post, and having my own, where I felt attacked and don't like much being called stupid, I would like to say that people come on here for advice, not to be rediculed. If you make someone feel attacked, some are going to respond in the way that Sane has. People ask for advice, not a lecture. I thought that this was going to be a good experience and so far, it has been horrible. Not because people disagree with me but because people are down right rude.

Chu'Wuti · 01-28-09, 07:30 PM

Whew! That makes me feel soooo much better—thanks, Julian!

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holier than thou idiots would like to think.
I knew id get **** from alot of you that think you know it all,

[BOLD]Think[/BOLD] they know? At the very least, Aaron, Mykee, and Julian are definitely experts in snake-keeping. I never made a claim to be an expert, particularly with Burmese Pythons, but I do know that snakes are solitary animals and do not do well together, and I do know that snakes are healthier when fed appropriate diets.

From there, reading the rest of that post from "Sane", and the next, and the next, and the next ad nauseum, I became more and more shocked.

Sane, you just joined this month. You can't make any claims to credibility because you haven't been a member of the forum long enough. We don’t know you. We were all responding to your first post, in which you presented yourself as a newbie to snake-keeping. You asked quite a number of questions that reinforced our perception that you are a newbie to snake-keeping.

Now you want us to believe that you merely asked those questions “to be nice and start a convo.” I don’t think it’s very nice when you ask questions you don’t want answers to and then attack us for responding.

At one point you stated that you were leaving (post 39) and then you posted 10 more times after that. Nearly every one of your last 11 posts have been the most vitriolic, ad hominem attacks I have ever seen. In contrast:

Angie, yes, some people sometimes come across as a bit rude. Sometimes frustration with new snake owners' lack of information, mistakes, and obstinacy about accepting information that contradicts what they want to believe gets to the really experienced people here. I agree that's not good and that we shouldn't ridicule people for ignorance when they've come here for information. I thank you for your calm and reasoned way of pointing this out.

Sane, there is a great deal of research on reptilian brains. They do not have an ability to feel emotion the way mammals do. However, I will not endeavor to try to share any further information with you, as you have made it clear that you don't want it. Perhaps you will be much happier on another herp forum. I wish you all the best with your snake and in your life.

Angie, I'm really sorry that your experience here has been so unpleasant. I hope you will forgive us and stick around--these guys are really very nice, caring people at heart, I promise! I also apologize that we let our frustration overcome our good judgment about the best ways to help others learn.