New Adventure of Naga& Zulu (crocs)

firepowerfox03 · 07-31-03, 03:19 PM

Well to Steeve and anyone one else that wants to read this. Zulu and Naga had a car ride today and it was amazing on how well behaved they were. Since this was my friends Cavalier as my Fiero was out of the question. With blankets on place both crocs place in the back seat off we went. Zulu went immediately up by the back window and laid there like those dogs things withe the bobbing heads that you see in your grandparents car. Naga promptly put both feet up by the window (all windows were closed) and stared out at passing traffic etc. Vroom out we went to the country to get ahotdog and fried and then down the locks to watch the boats. As we pulled into the hotdog stand Gary was brave and stayed in the car to watch them and I went off to get some low cal double burgers and shakes. People walking by did a double take not sure if what they were seeing was real or not. At one point they were both up there curled up in the sun. I brought bottled water and a water spritzer to give them a refreshing in car shower. To make a long story short for 3 hours they were as good as gold as we drove around and Naga wanted french fries but got a mouse instead. She said "What no gravy?" Anyhoo what fun it was to have them in the car with us and them looking out the window at the passing countryside wondering "Okay this seems cool" Think I can get them to bring me a leash for walkies now? LOL Steeve you are right they are both so special. Zulu will drink water out of a bowl as I hold it for him and yes I got a whole bunch of pics with my old camera not my diggy one. I am dying to see them. Naga looking out the car window like a small dog was such a hoot. We both laughed the whole time in the car as it was soooo funny.

Steeve B · 07-31-03, 03:54 PM

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firepowerfox03 · 07-31-03, 04:28 PM

I did not want to believe Matt about these lists but sadly enough it is true Goodbye to all. Steeve they were both fine and even slept abit. In my humble opinion they were very relaxed and ate the mice I gave them. Thanks for your info to date

Steeve B · 07-31-03, 04:32 PM

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firepowerfox03 · 07-31-03, 04:57 PM

Matt said these lists were just not worth joining as people get jumped on all the time by others. Yes maybe I use unconventional methods with my exotics (btw people I live with a caracal who is harness trained, minks foxes indo squirrels and other monitors. but it is only by socialization that gets them used to me and if and when they must go to the vet or being examined it is not an alien experience they are not stressed to the point of freaking out, The male croc now after a few days when I go into his pen or the pen outdoors very rarely huffs at me and lets me treat his tail. BYW I think a 3 hour car ride in an air conditioned car is nothing compared to being packed up and sent overseas (Japan) to god knows what . Let see now an overseas flight that has to be a few hours. Zulu was on a 2 hour flight and chewed his own damn tail. Am I pissed off now damn right I am. If I must take Zulu to the vet he is gonna have to go in a car and at least now he knows what it is about, You can imagine taking a sick croc to the vet that has never hardly been handled or been in a car and is sick to boot. WOULD i GIVE HIM A KISS OR LET HIM SLEEP IN MY BED. NO DO YOU THINK I AM THAT STUPID? It is only by handling him and spending time with him will I know what he will and not let me do. Okay so there and thats the name of that tune.

Steeve B · 07-31-03, 05:21 PM

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Scales Zoo · 07-31-03, 05:36 PM

Penny, I am sure you will get an earful from plenty of people.

My only concern is them loose in the car, because in the event of a crash, it could be a disaster. And it is the stuff that broadsides you on an idle afternoon you really need to worry about.

Enjoy those monitors every way you can!

Sheila

asphyxia · 07-31-03, 05:42 PM

If you think Steve was Harsh with you you havent seen anything yet, lol. Stay tuned.

Brian

Steeve B · 07-31-03, 06:05 PM

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Linds · 07-31-03, 06:07 PM

Steeve said everything I would have, so I won't go over what he said. However, I do have one thing to add. Loose monitors in a car, no matter how well acclimated they are to it all, is just a disaster waiting to happen. These animals, no matter how long they have gone without incident, or how acclimated they are to everything, are still wild. What would happen should one of them launch in to the front seat? Or give a bite? So many things could happen that could cause a possibly fatal car crash... and not just you, there could be many other vehicles involved. Or even if someone else caused an accident, they could escape and wreak havoc. There are enough "accidents" out there that are causing bans on reptiles all over. Please keep this in mind.

I'm sorry you feel that joining the site was a mistake. People that jump down others throats are few and far between, and if it does happen, there is often a reason. If people are seeming to jump down your throat, it is because we are deeply concerned for the situation - both you and your animals, and the possible effects it could have on all of us as a community. This site is number one for a reason, we have a huge sense of community and do not tolerate any bashing, slander, personal attacks, or otherwise uncalled for behaviour. Don't get all upset, just try and see where we are coming from

Take care.

V.hb · 07-31-03, 07:54 PM

anyone would jump on you for doing something that crazy!! Understand these are large aggressive predatory animals!

you put yourself in danger, you put the animals in danger, you put others on the road in danger....

markb · 07-31-03, 09:02 PM

Hello Firepower,

I read your posttwice to make sure I was reading it correctly. The last perso who did this, nearly died in a car accident, in Europe, when he picked up his wild-caught V. salvadorii from the airport and was driving the 75 Km to his home, when he looked in the rear-view mirrow and saw this 8 foot V. salvadorii staring right back at him! He drove off the road and nearly crashed his car to pieces - and that lizard was merely looking at him.

I fully agree with Steve b., Linds, Vh.b on this - it was irresponsible to yourself, your passenger, the lizards, other drivers on the road. Not a smart thing to do, and you were very lucky the lizards did not decide to take a chunk out of your neck, or your passengers, while feeding them, while driving, while eating....it is this kind of behavior that gets in the press, give herpers a bad name/reputation, is illegal to transport a dangerous animal without proper restraint etc...Please reconsider next time you want to do something like this.

You can get large pvc pipe, long enough to put the lizards into, build a wire door and transport them in that if you like? Furthermore, do lizards get car sick? Mouse vomit is repulsive but all varanophiles know about - and in your friends car!

I think You were Lucky this time...maybe not next time!
good luck,
mark bayless

NewLineReptile · 07-31-03, 09:09 PM

100% agree with everyone that has replyed.
Not good thinking man

Brandon

firepowerfox03 · 07-31-03, 09:59 PM

okay all this is absolutely my last post here and then I am outta here. First of I made my story sound funny as this list is in some dire need of humour. If i want deadpan lists I will join a morticians chat forum. First of all we did a trial run around the block to see how they would react. I watched them at all times and they were calm to the point of even closing their eyes. I do not need approval from anyone here I just wanted to share something that was out of the norm. You know when Diane Fossey and Jane Goodall studied the mountain gorillas and chimps they were very unconventional and gave their study charges names and recorded their personalities, They had physical contact with them also which was extremely frowned upon by the so called learned scientific community. Louise Leakey specifically picked them as they had no formal training. Jane Goodall was a waitress at one time and Diane Fossey was a therapist who worked with mentally challenged children and had 1 year vet training. Louise Leakey wanted someone out ther in the field they had no preconcieved notions of what the animals should be doing according to paper studies. Diane Fossey and Jane Goodall ebentually did get thier doctorates so they could present their thesis to the scientific community. Has anyone here ever seen that pic of a gorilla making contact with Diane Fossey and touchin her hand. That came about from her methods. They knew something whcih it seems a lot of people here do not. All species share certain traits but they are also individuals. I had a blue tail that was so tame she'd wear a harnes and hang around my neck and I took her everywhere with me. My other one would rather bite me then look at me. Look anyone can post a website and claim to be an expert. From what I see there is so much conflicting info on any monitor is is hard to know what is right. You were not there with me in the car with them and have no friggin idea how they reacted okay? If after just a few days I can go up to the male and he lets me clean his tail and then I sit in the pen with them as they eat and then sun them selves. I take a sprinkler outside and mist them and Zulu closes his eyes and stretches his neck towards the water. I do not have to be an expert to see he is starting to trust me as caregiver and foodbringer. ASK STEEVE IT IS IS SAFE TO LET HIS CHILDREN RIDE HIS 100 POUND NILE MONITOR AS IF IT WAS A PONY. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD ME OVER THE PHONE. NOW I ASK YOU IS THIS SAFE? At least I had the guts to tell you guys about something that was amazing and unique. Shame on you you cowards. REMEMBER WHAT GEORGE SCHALLER ONCE SAID "A LOVING PET OWNER WILL TELL YOU MORE ABOUT ANIMAL BEHAVIOR THEN MOST LABORATORY BEHAVIORISTS" From what I have seen so far these monitors have the intelligence and now trust in me to be more then a zoo speciaman. I plan to learn as much as I can about them. Learning and knowledge will come from them trusting me and me watching and learning from them. OKAY here ya go have a filed day folks. I won't be back. I will share my info in the future with others.

NewLineReptile · 07-31-03, 10:09 PM

You need your head checked most of your last post had nothing to do with what you did. As for you saying steeve let's his kid's ride his 100lb Nile. That i can't say is true or not. But if it is that is almost as stupid as what you did

Brandon