A new question maybe?

[IDvsEGO]

We saw a couple of tokays at the local reptile shop and they are interesting for sure. My wife was a little apprehensive about their reputation but I kind of like the "don't mess with me" attitude.

So a jungle carpet would be good in the 4x2x3 probably?

I have 4x2x2 slotted for our Red tail. Should I bump that to 5 or 6x2x2? If I bump it down to 18" on the height I could reconfigure some stuff to give her more room..

[DJC Reptiles]

Originally Posted by IDvsEGO

We saw a couple of tokays at the local reptile shop and they are interesting for sure. My wife was a little apprehensive about their reputation but I kind of like the "don't mess with me" attitude.

So a jungle carpet would be good in the 4x2x3 probably?

I have 4x2x2 slotted for our Red tail. Should I bump that to 5 or 6x2x2? If I bump it down to 18" on the height I could reconfigure some stuff to give her more room..

For a Colombian red tail boa, that bigger size is a must for an adult. 18" in height should be fine for this terrestrial species, but you can provide a shelf to give her a place to go if she wants to go upwards. Keep in mind these snakes can exceed 10 feet in length! Females are notorious for growing bigger, but I have personally seen 9ft males, and there are certainly bigger ones out there. 4x2x3 should be fine for a jungle carpet python, but it would be safer getting a male, because they tend to grow a little smaller. Expect a JCP to get 5-7 feet long. Tokay geckos have a notorious reputation for being defensive, and hard to tame. Kevin McCurley of NERD is evidence they can be tamed and kept successfully, here is an article he wrote here,

Tokay Gecko Care

Hope this helps!

[IDvsEGO]

Originally Posted by DJC Reptiles

For a Colombian red tail boa, that bigger size is a must for an adult. 18" in height should be fine for this terrestrial species, but you can provide a shelf to give her a place to go if she wants to go upwards. Keep in mind these snakes can exceed 10 feet in length! Females are notorious for growing bigger, but I have personally seen 9ft males, and there are certainly bigger ones out there. 4x2x3 should be fine for a jungle carpet python, but it would be safer getting a male, because they tend to grow a little smaller. Expect a JCP to get 5-7 feet long. Tokay geckos have a notorious reputation for being defensive, and hard to tame. Kevin McCurley of NERD is evidence they can be tamed and kept successfully, here is an article he wrote here,


Hope this helps!

Thank. The red tail likes to get on top of her hide so I was going to do a shelf for sure. I was going back and forth on her size so thanks for confirming my suspicion. I need to check my measurements to make sure what that does to my arboreal enclosure.

How about a tree python? Are they about the same as the jungle? And yeah, I am going male if we do a jungle. One 10footer in the house is plenty.

[DJC Reptiles]

Originally Posted by IDvsEGO

Thank. The red tail likes to get on top of her hide so I was going to do a shelf for sure. I was going back and forth on her size so thanks for confirming my suspicion. I need to check my measurements to make sure what that does to my arboreal enclosure.

How about a tree python? Are they about the same as the jungle? And yeah, I am going male if we do a jungle. One 10footer in the house is plenty.

While jungle's are semi-arboreal, green tree pythons are almost completely aboreal snakes and need at least another foot of height, four feet in total. They do best in a cage with three different perches, one on the bottom, one in the middle, and one on top. This is one of the species I will recomend a basking light for because they will almost never come down from their perch. In terms of size they can grow 4 to 6 feet but will never look it as they are pretty skinny snakes. Green tree pythons are also a lot more defensive then carpets so I wouldn't recommend them if you want to handle your pet, keep in mind there are plenty of species in the hobby that tolerate handling well, however, the taming process will just take time. According to others, any carpet python will be comfortable in that cage, but, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a big snake like that in a small cage. Jungles will most definitely fit, and they look amazing, although they can be hard to find during this season, so it might take awhile until you do. If you have any questions about how to pick a jungle, you can research more here,

Jungle Carpet Python Care Tips

Don't hesitate to ask anymore questions , I am on this site multiple times a day, and will always do my best to help anyone.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by DJC Reptiles

18" in height should be fine for this terrestrial species

I wouldn't exactly call Colombian Boas terrestrial. While they typically won't climb as much when they get older, and would certainly be fine without any climbing space, these guys can and will climb if given the opportunity. It's not a must, and you won't be harming your snake by not giving it much vertical space, but if you're looking to make a tall enclosure, the boa will use it (assuming there are sturdy branches, a basking shelf of some sort, and some heat higher up).

[DJC Reptiles]

Originally Posted by Bandit

I wouldn't exactly call Colombian Boas terrestrial. While they typically won't climb as much when they get older, and would certainly be fine without any climbing space, these guys can and will climb if given the opportunity. It's not a must, and you won't be harming your snake by not giving it much vertical space, but if you're looking to make a tall enclosure, the boa will use it (assuming there are sturdy branches, a basking shelf of some sort, and some heat higher up).

Yes, which is why I recommend a shelf. Otherwise length is more important then height. And they may or may not use the vertical space, babies are much more arboreal, but for adults, just a shelf and 18" of height will keep it plenty happy. And they are certainly terrestrial in captivity because they don't require the height, that just means they will spend most of their time on the ground, most of all snakes, if given the opportunity will venture upwards if given the chance. I would only classify snakes as arboreal and semi-arboreal if they actually needed the height.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by IDvsEGO

So a jungle carpet would be good in the 4x2x3 probably?

a good rule of thumb for size- pure jungles are going to attain a size of 6+"ish" ft., coastal carpets are bigger animals- around 6-9ish. Irian Jaya carpets typically in the 4-5 ft zone.

all-in-all, they are big snakes, just not huge. i wouldn't house an adult coastal in that size of a cage, but an IJ would do fine as would a JCP.

remember, when you say "jungle", it's prob a mixture. unless you have purchased from a top notch breeder with detailed pedigrees, you're not going to get a "pure" JCP.

[IDvsEGO]

Originally Posted by Bandit

I wasn't saying your were wrong, but in the wild they do tend to spend some time up in trees, and even the ones I've kept in captivity have spent more time up high than just to venture up every now and then. Again, they don't need the vertical space. I was just letting the OP know that they will spend a good bit of time up high if given the opportunity. It was more if he wanted the height for aesthetic purposes, and for it to not be wasted space.

thanks. I think we are in line then. I know she likes to get on her hide now so I was planning on at least one shelf on the cool side and making the hide on the warm side one that she can get on if she wants. She hasnt touched the limb that is in there but honestly, I think it is too straight up and down for her to lounge on.

Originally Posted by MDT

a good rule of thumb for size- pure jungles are going to attain a size of 6+"ish" ft., coastal carpets are bigger animals- around 6-9ish. Irian Jaya carpets typically in the 4-5 ft zone.

all-in-all, they are big snakes, just not huge. i wouldn't house an adult coastal in that size of a cage, but an IJ would do fine as would a JCP.

remember, when you say "jungle", it's prob a mixture. unless you have purchased from a top notch breeder with detailed pedigrees, you're not going to get a "pure" JCP.

The IJ has some of the best coloring for me, I hadn't seen that they were that much smaller. That could be my guy. At the very least, I think I can rule out the Coastal for sure. I think what I am going to do is make one large arboreal enclosure with a removal partition. It isn't that tough to do and would resolve my dilemma.

And I have read repeatedly that it is very difficult to give an adult snake too much space. You guys agree with that logic? I can handle wasting space for the right snake but I dont want to create a stressful environment if there are some that prefer the cozy habitat.