Keeping snakes without a hotspot

[jjhill001]

Originally Posted by Doug 351

LOL! I have one....it's about as hot as a lap dog... and no problems in years and years.

NOW....my point is...YES!!! They used to be crap....but!!!!! Before we even have a RIDICULOUS conversation on something that DOESN'T EXSIST...( heat rock danger)... We should start with something substantial, not outdated OPINIONS!

BTW: I don't see the need for a separate thread, (I thought this was about HEAT SOURCES!)

https://www.google.com/search?q=heat...burns+reptiles

It's many more than just one animal affected. They were also much more prevalent years ago before people posted literally everything on the internet. And given the shame of killing your own animal after people on a community site told you not to use one, I doubt they come back to admit they were wrong.

In addition, I would say probably only 10% of the reptile community frequents forums and sites like this for any long time period. Probably less than 50% of reptile keepers ever even create an account. And another 50% just do whatever the pet store tells them to.

That 50% doing whatever a pet store tells them to do aren't likely to even know that communities like this even exist thus we're not likely to hear about it.

[Doug 351]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

https://www.google.com/search?q=heat...burns+reptiles

It's many more than just one animal affected. They were also much more prevalent years ago before people posted literally everything on the internet. And given the shame of killing your own animal after people on a community site told you not to use one, I doubt they come back to admit they were wrong.

In addition, I would say probably only 10% of the reptile community frequents forums and sites like this for any long time period. Probably less than 50% of reptile keepers ever even create an account. And another 50% just do whatever the pet store tells them to.

That 50% doing whatever a pet store tells them to do aren't likely to even know that communities like this even exist thus we're not likely to hear about it.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. First off, most members on ANY pet forums....are likely to be overly protective and unrealistic in NECESSARY accommodation.

I take the position that most pet owners are OVERPROCTECTIVE... and not very likely to be swayed or swindled by pet store employees. Does it happen??? Of course...but...usually those dolts don't show up on pet forums.

[jjhill001]

Originally Posted by Doug 351

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. First off, most members on ANY pet forums....are likely to be overly protective and unrealistic in NECESSARY accommodation.

I take the position that most pet owners are OVERPROCTECTIVE... and not very likely to be swayed or swindled by pet store employees. Does it happen??? Of course...but...usually those dolts don't show up on pet forums.

I beg to disagree. We see it on the forums quite frequently, someone shows their setup or asks a question and when asked why they are doing something a certain way one of the more common reason's given is "that's what the employee told me".

Many keeper's first herp was from an impulse purchase. Or just asking mom and she just goes and gets the stuff that the employee gives her etc. My first herp EVER was a leopard frog I raised from a tadpole I caught at a friend's house. I had literally never read a book about animal care in my life. I kinda just winged it based on what I knew about frogs, the first summer I fed it by literally going outside and catching 10-20 black crickets, worms and such every other day or so. It wasn't until winter that I had to figure out what the heck I was gonna feed him, that led me to the internet in all of it's dial up glory and random colored text common of 90's webpages.

I had literally never been in a pet store that sold reptiles before. All our fish in my mom's aquarium were from Walmart (The 90's were a wild wasteland of change and confusion for everyone involved).

Anyways then I got a library card and the rest is history for me.

The main point is, people get the animal, having little knowledge. They DO care about their pet and are protective of it. But I feel it is much more common for that to come AFTER they get their animal. Not before. And if nothing bad happens, they don't have to venture to the internet for anything unless they REALLY catch the bug or find a book or something that expands on what they know about the reptile community. They often only venture here if something goes wrong.

I'm talking the FIRST reptile pet someone gets is going to be a beginner and will have a good chance of being misled by a pet store employee. Sometimes that person has done a lot of research but more likely they didn't.