Keeping snakes without a hotspot

[dannybgoode]

Recommending an unsafe piece of equipment when there are plenty of safe alternatives is completely different to what is being discussed here.

[Doug 351]

Originally Posted by dannybgoode

Recommending an unsafe piece of equipment when there are plenty of safe alternatives is completely different to what is being discussed here.

Well....unfortunately, we are on different sides of the street, ....and I throw down the gauntlet!!!!

But....I wanna see ANY EVIDENCE a heat rock has injured anything but a British woman in the last 10 years!

Ummmm.....I don't ever wanna see a reptile injured.... ( unless it lives in the UK!!!! ( Love ya bud, ya know I'm kidding!)

[jjhill001]

Originally Posted by Doug 351

Well....unfortunately, we are on different sides of the street, ....and I throw down the gauntlet!!!!

But....I wanna see ANY EVIDENCE a heat rock has injured anything but a British woman in the last 10 years!

Ummmm.....I don't ever wanna see a reptile injured.... ( unless it lives in the UK!!!! ( Love ya bud, ya know I'm kidding!)

I think the heat rock discussion at least potentially has validity to be reopened. Back in the day they were dangerous. We all saw pictures and hear horror stories.

Could the quality control and designs, safety measures have improved in the 25 or so years since they first became popular? I think its possible, they still sell the dang things even though seemingly every reptile community on the planet strongly recommends against them. Could they have been improved to the point that a failure or burn is as rare as it is with heat pads?

That said, even if they are as safe as a heat pad is. They affect the ambient temps less than a wide spread heat pad, look ugly most of the time and in my opinion the optimal product would still be the heat pad even ignoring the safety concerns of a heat rock.

[dannybgoode]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

I think the heat rock discussion at least potentially has validity to be reopened. Back in the day they were dangerous. We all saw pictures and hear horror stories.

Could the quality control and designs, safety measures have improved in the 25 or so years since they first became popular? I think its possible, they still sell the dang things even though seemingly every reptile community on the planet strongly recommends against them. Could they have been improved to the point that a failure or burn is as rare as it is with heat pads?

That said, even if they are as safe as a heat pad is. They affect the ambient temps less than a wide spread heat pad, look ugly most of the time and in my opinion the optimal product would still be the heat pad even ignoring the safety concerns of a heat rock.

Even with more stringent quality controls and safety their very design encourages a reptile to sit on or wrap round them which increases the chance of thermal blocking.

Anyway, I'm reluctant to comment further on this thread as it's been a really interesting debate and I don't want to pollute it and take too far off topic. With this in mind Doug perhaps start at new thread specifically on heat rocks and we can discuss there.

[jjhill001]

Originally Posted by dannybgoode

Even with more stringent quality controls and safety their very design encourages a reptile to sit on or wrap round them which increases the chance of thermal blocking.

Anyway, I'm reluctant to comment further on this thread as it's been a really interesting debate and I don't want to pollute it and take too far off topic. With this in mind Doug perhaps start at new thread specifically on heat rocks and we can discuss there.

Posted my new setup in the colubrid forum Danny!

[Doug 351]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

I think the heat rock discussion at least potentially has validity to be reopened. Back in the day they were dangerous. We all saw pictures and hear horror stories.

Could the quality control and designs, safety measures have improved in the 25 or so years since they first became popular? I think its possible, they still sell the dang things even though seemingly every reptile community on the planet strongly recommends against them. Could they have been improved to the point that a failure or burn is as rare as it is with heat pads?

That said, even if they are as safe as a heat pad is. They affect the ambient temps less than a wide spread heat pad, look ugly most of the time and in my opinion the optimal product would still be the heat pad even ignoring the safety concerns of a heat rock.

I don't see the need...AGAIN!!!! Just need one fatality... .( AIN'T HAPPENING!!!!!) HEAT rocks are SAFE now... DEAL WITH IT!!!!