Baby snake help

[Albert Clark]

Lactobacillus acidophilus is a benign enzyme replacement for animals (reptiles) that have been or are on antibiotics. It's the good bacteria that is being replaced by the cultures in the product. Animals that have regurges are also benefitting from l.b.acidophilus. It's a natural preparation and is widely used in these instances. It's perfectly acceptable to instill the drops into drinking water.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Albert Clark

It's the required preparation used in animals that have regurged and it's a replacement for lost gastric digestive enzymes. The brief period of stress is outweighed by the benefit of instilling the drops. If op is unable to adequately perform the procedure i said it was acceptable to put the drops in the water. After two regurges, I think it's acceptable to give the drops as quickly as possible.

1. Nothing is required. I don't know who has begun saying these drops are required for a regurge.

2. How do you know the snakes will drink from the water with the drops in them? It goes like this. Someone puts drops in the water, the snake eats fine the next go around. The person then proclaims "WOW these drops did it!" When in actuality the snake just handled it all on it's own and never drank.

Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Lactobacillus acidophilus is a benign enzyme replacement for animals (reptiles) that have been or are on antibiotics. It's the good bacteria that is being replaced by the cultures in the product. Animals that have regurges are also benefitting from l.b.acidophilus. It's a natural preparation and is widely used in these instances. It's perfectly acceptable to instill the drops into drinking water.

Do you have a study since you've specifically outlined reptiles? As well these animals aren't or have not been on antibiotics so why would you be using the product?
I get the idea I'm just having a hard time changing my opinion on how to handle a regurge without solid facts.
Plenty of times people in the reptile world jump on something like this and proclaim it as amaze balls but it's really not.

[Andy_G]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

1. Nothing is required. I don't know who has begun saying these drops are required for a regurge.

2. How do you know the snakes will drink from the water with the drops in them? It goes like this. Someone puts drops in the water, the snake eats fine the next go around. The person then proclaims "WOW these drops did it!" When in actuality the snake just handled it all on it's own and never drank.



Do you have a study since you've specifically outlined reptiles? As well these animals aren't or have not been on antibiotics so why would you be using the product?
I get the idea I'm just having a hard time changing my opinion on how to handle a regurge without solid facts.
Plenty of times people in the reptile world jump on something like this and proclaim it as amaze balls but it's really not.

I agree with all of this. With young hatchlings such as in this case, less is certainly more.

[Albert Clark]

Originally Posted by Andy_G

I agree with all of this. With young hatchlings such as in this case, less is certainly more.

Andy, and this is fine. It's a simple educated recommendation for the op to consider. His hatchlings are dying and it's just a recommendation. I am not trying to win a argument or disagreement. Nor am I pushing what I would do on someone else. A simple request for the op to consider. Intervention was begun with the increased temps and that is a good place to start.

[Andy_G]

Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Andy, and this is fine. It's a simple educated recommendation for the op to consider. His hatchlings are dying and it's just a recommendation. I am not trying to win a argument or disagreement. Nor am I pushing what I would do on someone else. A simple request for the op to consider. Intervention was begun with the increased temps and that is a good place to start.

All good, Albert. Having both sides present their thoughts certainly doesn't cause harm.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Albert Clark

It's also the combination of the increased temps and the l.b.acidophilus as well as feeding a smaller prey item next time that will decrease the chances of a repeat episode.

How do you know the acidophilus has any effect? How do you know it isn't just the increased Temps doing all the work?
This is frustrating and a pet peeve of mine. It isn't you specifically Albert, you simply presented the case to talk about.

This is rampant in the hobby. This type of "education". So many myths from decades ago were formed from this type of thinking. It simply means keepers are too arrogant and too stupid to actually figure something out.

Example, people have spoke about impaction for decades with lizards and substrate. It isn't a real CAUSE of death. It's a symptom of an underlying issue. The lizard dies and in animal death throes they usually open their mouth and take piles of dirt in. The keeper sees the dead animal and instead of figuring out what's actually wrong or admitting they did a shoddy keeping job they point to the "impaction". Taking all guilt away from them and then worst of all, passing around this information along with their "perfect" husbandry skills causing more animal deaths.

People need to bring real facts, studies to back up their claims. Bring proof. In this case have snakes regurging but don't change prey size or Temps or anything else and show me the proof. There's been decades of snakes recovering from a resurgence just fine with additives so you need to show a better way of doing it with undeniable truth. I'm not above changing my ways but I won't change them on a whim.

Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Andy, and this is fine. It's a simple educated recommendation for the op to consider. His hatchlings are dying and it's just a recommendation. I am not trying to win a argument or disagreement. Nor am I pushing what I would do on someone else. A simple request for the op to consider. Intervention was begun with the increased temps and that is a good place to start.

I will question you on the "educated recommendation". You haven't provided any education on the effects with reptiles. Specifically snake regurgitation.