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I reserved a pair of northern pines and pair of kankakee bulls this past spring but we changed the deal to a yearling female bull since I have a male and I'm close enough to drive so he doesn't have to ship the already 4' snake. My only pic so far she took off the moment she was out of the pillow case and saw a nice big slab of slate (garden store gave me some broken pieces for $2). The little male pine was out. He seems to find the limestone rock interesting. They were still all in a rack together previously so substrate and hides are new as of last night.