lost water monitor

erantheking21 · 04-04-16, 01:58 PM

hi
my water monitor as escaped for over a week and i couldnt find him.
i went to sleep for the afternoon, i check him before and i pet him and put him back and close is cage, i woke up, but he wasent inside..when i was sleeping i heard some noises of nailons, but i thought it was nothing, but when i woke up i saw my cupboard open and a shirt with nailon on the floor, so i i immditaly tought he was going to this area, and this area was very close to his cage....
he has a rectangular basin cage that close with steel, with brench
he probebly clime on the brench and squeeze himself between the steel
its the second time he's done it already, in the first time i looked every where for him and wasent a clue, after a week he was showing up in my bad, he probebly was hiding inside a place without any access between the cupboard and the wall, its a very old cupboard so i dont know how many hiding place their is, even for a smart pet like monitors.
their is two problems.
1.during the time i was sleeping. i open the window(very small amont of it) but the window is in the other side of the room, and he had to pass me, or even under the bad, and to clime some things, monitor like to hide nearby, so i dont know what to think, i check in my roof in the top in the same day but didnt saw anything.
2.my door room isnt down, and there is a small place that he can squeeze under if he realy want..but agian, like i saw he was going to the other side, but i check in the rooms nearby, and my balcon, and nothing...no lizard
i put some mice in some places, and near the room, even mice sound to get him out, but no monitor
its over a week, from saterday, i am concered for him

the temp is 20-27 now, but still
1.how long he can go without food?
2.where can he be?
3.what can i do?

erantheking21 · 05-08-16, 02:32 AM

i didnt find him, he probebly went out from the window

i got a bigger one

PatrickT · 05-08-16, 03:09 AM

you should be banned from keeping pets.Saw some posts from you and all include suffering animals...

Albert Clark · 05-08-16, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickT

you should be banned from keeping pets.Saw some posts from you and all include suffering animals...

I don't think that is the answer to ban someone who is here asking for help. It was a act of irresponsibility that the animal escaped. We are here to help each other and as reptile keepers, we should maintain that mentality.

macandchz · 05-08-16, 10:42 AM

i agree, al. we aren't on this forum to judge anyone. sarcastic, know-it all replies do not help anyone. this forum is supposed to be fun and educational. let's keep it that way.

MDT · 05-08-16, 11:42 AM

tough love. now go to your room.

PatrickT · 05-08-16, 12:50 PM

Know it al replies?

Have you read some of his posts?

Here he says he lost his water monitor.

Here his burmese python has "white stuff " on his head:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/giant...hons-head.html

His boa doesnt eat:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/boa-c...g-problem.html

His ballpython is injured:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/gener...jury-shad.html

His rainbow boa has respiratory problems:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/gener...-boa-shed.html

His bloodpython doesnt eat:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/pytho...-want-eat.html

His green tree python is a death candidate:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/morel...-python-2.html

Sorry but it seems he buys constantly new animals, doesnt know the basics and loses them because of this. Animals aren´t throw away articles.

Just follow his topics...i dont know maybe he operates some sick kind of reptile GULAG over there.

Tiny Boidae · 05-08-16, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickT

Know it al replies?

Have you read some of his posts?

Here he says he lost his water monitor.

Here his burmese python has "white stuff " on his head:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/giant...hons-head.html

His boa doesnt eat:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/boa-c...g-problem.html

His ballpython is injured:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/gener...jury-shad.html

His rainbow boa has respiratory problems:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/gener...-boa-shed.html

His bloodpython doesnt eat:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/pytho...-want-eat.html

His green tree python is a death candidate:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/morel...-python-2.html

Sorry but it seems he buys constantly new animals, doesnt know the basics and loses them because of this. Animals aren´t throw away articles.

Just follow his topics...i dont know maybe he operates some sick kind of reptile GULAG over there.

I agree there has been some gross neglect with his animals, and that until he makes some serious adjustments to his husbandry that he should not bring another animal home, especially not the biggest and hardest to keep ones, but you're not promoting any positive changes by insulting him. All you're doing is encouraging him to move away from this forum where we won't be able to influence his care at all.

We've had a couple people like this recently, who have put their animals through hell and back, and by no means is arrogance an easy thing to fix, especially from behind a computer. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure how we can change this sort of behavior, but slandering the keeper will NOT work in the animal's favor. Just look into Arachnid's case, where people, myself included, did that exact same thing and drove himself off the forum where he's likely still continuing his abusive behavior.

PatrickT · 05-08-16, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiny Boidae

I agree there has been some gross neglect with his animals, and that until he makes some serious adjustments to his husbandry that he should not bring another animal home, especially not the biggest and hardest to keep ones, but you're not promoting any positive changes by insulting him. All you're doing is encouraging him to move away from this forum where we won't be able to influence his care at all.

We've had a couple people like this recently, who have put their animals through hell and back, and by no means is arrogance an easy thing to fix, especially from behind a computer. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure how we can change this sort of behavior, but slandering the keeper will NOT work in the animal's favor. Just look into Arachnid's case, where people, myself included, did that exact same thing and drove himself off the forum where he's likely still continuing his abusive behavior.

I think they play a sad violin song whenenver he steps into the local pet store.

MDT · 05-08-16, 04:22 PM

@Patrick...dude, I'm on your side on this one.

Oh..and where has Lady Bug been? After reading her replies on the GTP thread, I realize that I miss her!!

RAD House · 05-08-16, 05:06 PM

Can we say we know the condition of the animals when he got them? For all we know he may have been sold animals that were in bad condition, but being told they were healthy. I personally do not know what the herptile industry in Israel, but I would not be surprised to find that they are in general substandard. What I do know is op is willing to listen to suggestions from both the breeders and people of this forum. I think snide comments only discourage the owner from asking for help. Also I do agree that he should learn to better care for the animals he currently has than try to aquire more. Again passive aggressive attacks do no good for the owner or animals. Lets all be adults here. I have had several discouraging reptile situation hit me all at once, granted not nearly as troublesome as the ops, and it is not easy to deal with. I think the willingness of the op to look for help and realize he has problems earns him the right to be regarded with respect.

sirtalis · 05-08-16, 05:49 PM

I'm also with you guys, who wants to bet that it is being kept in an aquarium

PatrickT · 05-08-16, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

Can we say we know the condition of the animals when he got them? For all we know he may have been sold animals that were in bad condition, but being told they were healthy. I personally do not know what the herptile industry in Israel, but I would not be surprised to find that they are in general substandard. What I do know is op is willing to listen to suggestions from both the breeders and people of this forum. I think snide comments only discourage the owner from asking for help. Also I do agree that he should learn to better care for the animals he currently has than try to aquire more. Again passive aggressive attacks do no good for the owner or animals. Lets all be adults here. I have had several discouraging reptile situation hit me all at once, granted not nearly as troublesome as the ops, and it is not easy to deal with. I think the willingness of the op to look for help and realize he has problems earns him the right to be regarded with respect.

all fine but he seems to buy a new reptile evry week and cant care properly for the ones he already has. I see a massive problem there. The first advice he should accept is that he mus stop to buy new animals.

Albert Clark · 05-08-16, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickT

all fine but he seems to buy a new reptile evry week and cant care properly for the ones he already has. I see a massive problem there. The first advice he should accept is that he mus stop to buy new animals.

Ok Patrick. That is a very plausible start for getting him on the right track. Also that is a remedy to his overwhelming propensity for misfortune with his animal collection. Let's see how he responds to that statement .

RAD House · 05-08-16, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickT

all fine but he seems to buy a new reptile evry week and cant care properly for the ones he already has. I see a massive problem there. The first advice he should accept is that he mus stop to buy new animals.

I agree but wouldn't he be much more likely to take your advice if you just stated so in a respectful manner? Who would listen to any advice from a person just running their mouth?