hey guys new here looking for advise - Page 3

RAD House · 09-11-15, 02:58 PM

the licorice morph is the same thing as a white sided. You were probably looking at normal where yours is possibly a rusty version of the same snake.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 07:17 PM

Here is a couple of head shots, he just got done eating two mice so i didnt want to hassle him to much. Although when i tried putting him away and he did almost everything in his power not to go in so i directed his head into one of his hides. I hope these pictures help.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 07:20 PM

What do you guys think would be a could female for him if i decided to go down that road. Im in no hurry to do so just curious of what your guys thoughts would be?

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 07:36 PM

Him sitting here watching me

prairiepanda · 09-12-15, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

Prairiepanda I very much disagree that this is a hybrid, especially as Texas rats and the western black rat snakes are the same species.

Same species, different subspecies. Some people would consider that a hybrid, others wouldn't. Normally I wouldn't, but in this case I was trying to identify a source of the strange markings which seemed more like those on Texas rats than on black rats. However, now that we have better pictures of the snake I see that the patterning isn't as Texas-like as I originally thought, so you're right that it's probably not a hybrid

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I really do think what you have here is a rusty white sided Black rat snake.

Agreed. Very nice find!

jjhill001 · 09-12-15, 09:16 PM

I'm inclined to say Black Rat snake as well. It's really gorgeous. I do see the Texas Rat comparison that prariepanda is mentioning though. I just think that's because of the shade of the color on the back though. I wouldn't breed it if you don't know what it is tbh though. You can look up specific scale counts and stuff on the internet of the various subspecies if you REALLY wanna narrow it down.

Albert Clark · 09-12-15, 09:25 PM

I would agree to rat snake but think hybrid is a very good possibility. Unique looking reptile that appears like he's been well fed. Was he a rescue or w/c?

Albert Clark · 09-12-15, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jjhill001

I'm inclined to say Black Rat snake as well. It's really gorgeous. I do see the Texas Rat comparison that prariepanda is mentioning though. I just think that's because of the shade of the color on the back though. I wouldn't breed it if you don't know what it is tbh though. You can look up specific scale counts and stuff on the internet of the various subspecies if you REALLY wanna narrow it down.

Good points jj. Those would be good differentiating factors. Welcome Chances to the forum btw!

RAD House · 09-12-15, 09:45 PM

Just to be clear they found the western black rat snake and texas rat snake to be so genetically similar that they are now the same species. Also they did away with all the subspecies. Biologically there is no difference between the two. Black rat snakes are not necessarily black.

Albert Clark · 09-12-15, 10:42 PM

Great find MC, thanks.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-12-15, 11:12 PM

Im not going to breed him for quite some time if i ever do. I got him from some people that didnt have time for him any more, he is very well taken care of. Last night when i fed him (since i havent been able to transition him to f/t yet) he ate the first mouse killing it then he started eating it then spit it out and started rattling his tail. Then finished eating after 10-15 minutes. I let him settle with that for about 20 minutes then gave him the second one.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-12-15, 11:15 PM

I was thinking he might be a little over weight because he almost looks like he has scale seperation but i dont know if its just because of his coloring. I fed him two mice because he hadnt eaten in almost three weeks when he was used to eating every 10 days.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-13-15, 09:55 PM

Hopefully he will go into deep shed, so far he eyes are starting to get milky.