Owner awareness?

[SnoopySnake]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

I believe it as to do with Scent. We all have our own scent your snake recognizes your scent and associates this with security.

This is exactly what I was going to say.

[CosmicOwl]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

I believe it as to do with Scent. We all have our own scent your snake recognizes your scent and associates this with security.

I agree with this, but I don't even know if I would extend this to the snake feeling secure. I think it has more to do with familiarity. Your scent is familiar to your snake and thus non threatening. Another person's scent is unfamiliar and thus cause for the snake to be more cautious and alert.

[reptiledude987]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

I agree with this, but I don't even know if I would extend this to the snake feeling secure. I think it has more to do with familiarity. Your scent is familiar to your snake and thus non threatening. Another person's scent is unfamiliar and thus cause for the snake to be more cautious and alert.

I agree with this completly.

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

I agree with this, but I don't even know if I would extend this to the snake feeling secure. I think it has more to do with familiarity. Your scent is familiar to your snake and thus non threatening. Another person's scent is unfamiliar and thus cause for the snake to be more cautious and alert.

I like to think this is right, I've observed my female jampea will make her way to me. I don't think this is because she sees me as her owner( way to complex of a thought) but more of a familiar smelling short warm tree.

[Kuamata]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

People say reptiles don't love like its a bad thing, no animal we regularly keep as pets loves. A cat looks at you like a subordinate and a dog looks at you as its master or in the case of small childeren as a something to be herded. A dog doesn't listen because it loves you.

I'm sorry, but am I the only one bothered by this statement? There has not been a day in my life that I have lived without a cat or dog. I've experienced enough of my own personal experiences, and heard and seen others' experiences, to say they feel emotions like affection and not just raw instinct like reptiles. There are countless stories online, videos, etc. One of the most trending these days is the dog weeping at the grave of its deceased owner, or dogs taking trips, of their own accord, to see the grave of their deceased owner and remaining at that tombstone.

Even my parrots feel emotion like grief, love, etc. Heck, one of them wants to be my mate and I keep shooting him down. Parrots, in my mind, are the closest non-human animals that you could possibly get to having children. I had a pet African Goose named Matilda. While we were raising her, we would say 'Matilda' or 'What what' when addressing her. She eventually honked back two or three times whenever we did that. Well, my bonded macaw boys picked this up from watching me talk to her, and began talking with her by saying 'What what' like we did. Naturally, she would talk back. Now... I normally deal with death by going into denial and shutting it out if my mind... when Matilda died, I was not able to do that. Why? Because my boys were so stricken with grief. When she stopped responding, they knew something wasn't right. They began wailing,"What what? What what?! WHAT WHAAT?! WHAT WHAAaaat..." It was so heart wrenching, to hear them grieve like that, and knowing I couldn't really communicate with them like I would another person to console them. The best I could offer was my presence, which only mildly helped. This went on for about two weeks of them wailing and mourning before things steadily went back to normal...

At any rate, I agree with Aaron. Your snake was looking for some support.

[Sublimeballs]

Must have missed that about dogs not loving.

Until you can show me a study I can't believe that with the actions of my German sheppard. We're not talking about simple instinct based animals with no cerebral cortex were taking about canids; an intelligent pack animal.

[Kuamata]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Must have missed that about dogs not loving.

Until you can show me a study I can't believe that with the actions of my German sheppard. We're not talking about simple instinct based animals with no cerebral cortex were taking about canids; an intelligent pack animal.

Yeah, and people also say cats are condescending jerks, but my cats actively seek me out for attention or for protection from something they perceive as a threat, like some foreign object they've never seen before. I have a cat named Runt, known her since her first day of life. She loves nothing more than my attention, and would happily sit with me all day if I didn't have things to do and other animals to care for. Same thing with my elderly cat who I've known for 16 years now. My kitten, though, he's still a young hyper boy, so he still runs around like a lunatic, but he's starting to mellow out and he's becoming more demanding for attention than my two girls, lol. He loves sleeping on things with my scent. Guess it makes him feel like he's with me when I'm away.

[Sublimeballs]

We have a male ferret that is absolutely in love with my girlfriend, he loves his time with her.

[Marshallarts]

Well whatever the case, whether it's comfort or they just simply like your scent, I'm completly okay with it. This sort of topic interests me, since we don't actually know what goes on in their little heads. Sure some research has been done, but we still honestly don't know. So to say "defenitly not affection" or "my snake loves me" is really just what you believe. Oh, and if you think dogs and cats don't love you, you've never been to a rescue center. Those animals will wrap around your leg and never let go, LITERALLY.

[Kuamata]

Originally Posted by Marshallarts

Well whatever the case, whether it's comfort or they just simply like your scent, I'm completly okay with it. This sort of topic interests me, since we don't actually know what goes on in their little heads. Sure some research has been done, but we still honestly don't know. So to say "defenitly not affection" or "my snake loves me" is really just what you believe. Oh, and if you think dogs and cats don't love you, you've never been to a rescue center. Those animals will wrap around your leg and never let go, LITERALLY.

Agree with the dog/cat statement. I think people feel resentment toward one or the other,or both, 'cause they expect more to be given back for all their 'hard work'. One, it's called responsibility and you automatically assume all of it upon accepting ANY animal into your life. It's not 'hard labor' that you should resent. Two, they're animals. They're not going to work a job and pay your rent. :/ The best they can offer you is their undying love and affection. If that's not enough to satisfy you, then don't get one, plain and simple.

On the snake love thing, I believe it has been scientifically proven that snakes and some other reptiles lack the part of their brain that forms bonds, relationships, etc. Not sure if it's all reptiles or not.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by Kuamata

On the snake love thing, I believe it has been scientifically proven that snakes and some other reptiles lack the part of their brain that forms bonds, relationships, etc. Not sure if it's all reptiles or not.

This........

[jjhill001]

Originally Posted by Kuamata

I'm sorry, but am I the only one bothered by this statement? There has not been a day in my life that I have lived without a cat or dog. I've experienced enough of my own personal experiences, and heard and seen others' experiences, to say they feel emotions like affection and not just raw instinct like reptiles. There are countless stories online, videos, etc. One of the most trending these days is the dog weeping at the grave of its deceased owner, or dogs taking trips, of their own accord, to see the grave of their deceased owner and remaining at that tombstone.

Even my parrots feel emotion like grief, love, etc. Heck, one of them wants to be my mate and I keep shooting him down. Parrots, in my mind, are the closest non-human animals that you could possibly get to having children. I had a pet African Goose named Matilda. While we were raising her, we would say 'Matilda' or 'What what' when addressing her. She eventually honked back two or three times whenever we did that. Well, my bonded macaw boys picked this up from watching me talk to her, and began talking with her by saying 'What what' like we did. Naturally, she would talk back. Now... I normally deal with death by going into denial and shutting it out if my mind... when Matilda died, I was not able to do that. Why? Because my boys were so stricken with grief. When she stopped responding, they knew something wasn't right. They began wailing,"What what? What what?! WHAT WHAAT?! WHAT WHAAaaat..." It was so heart wrenching, to hear them grieve like that, and knowing I couldn't really communicate with them like I would another person to console them. The best I could offer was my presence, which only mildly helped. This went on for about two weeks of them wailing and mourning before things steadily went back to normal...

At any rate, I agree with Aaron. Your snake was looking for some support.

Well the dog crying at the veteran's grave (the version of this BS Facebook story I saw) is not true because dogs can't cry. Liquid will only come out of a dog eye if its infected or something is in it.

I'll admit to not knowing much about parrots, that's why I said most animals we keep as pets and not all. But couldn't they just be reacting to a change (stressor) in way. I know they do live a long time so I imagine they were kept with one another for a long time and a missing compadre could be a major stressor causing the reaction.

Its much easier to avoid anthropomorphizing (spelling? Autocorrect won't save me here) an animal like a snake because they don't make noise or have eyebrows than it is to avoid it with something that has so much more personality in general like a dog or cat or bird or whatever. I love my pets and I anthromorphize them by naming them and everything. My cat reacts when he gets yelled at by coming to comfort me which is really just a reaction to get me to let him do whatever he wants, which works most of the time. But he's only doing that to get what he wants. Not because he's sad he made me upset.

Like another poster here though it is all semantics because in the end with regards to husbandry it really doesn't matter if something loves you or not as long as you care for it properly.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Marshallarts

Well whatever the case, whether it's comfort or they just simply like your scent, I'm completly okay with it. This sort of topic interests me, since we don't actually know what goes on in their little heads. Sure some research has been done, but we still honestly don't know. So to say "defenitly not affection" or "my snake loves me" is really just what you believe. Oh, and if you think dogs and cats don't love you, you've never been to a rescue center. Those animals will wrap around your leg and never let go, LITERALLY.

As stated already you're welcome to your views.

I just wanted to point out that yes there's been more than just "some" research done. Many studies in fact. That proves that we do in fact know how their minds work. You're welcome to disagree but please don't go around putting our misinformation because you rather think differently.

[SnoopySnake]

Another one of these threads...Sigh

[Marshallarts]

Not trying to make another one of those threads... People just seem really defensive about this topic for some reason. Even though a lot of research has been done, we still will never know for sure. And that goes for every animal, because they can't talk and tell us what they think, or feel. So I don't think that im misinforming anyone.