37 killed from Marijuana - Day of legalization in Colorado - Page 3

TheFrogman · 01-03-14, 12:27 AM

Im guilty, I didn't read your article nor did I notice where it was (Comedy section). Im a bad, bad boy.

RandyRhoads · 01-03-14, 02:51 AM

I was all pro legalization. Still am pretty much. A few views have changed. Last couple times (someone I know) tried it (they) got more paranoid than a couple of bad drops. To the point (they) felt friends were possibly going to attack (them) (they) werelike a cornered animal ready to pounce and defend (them)self, against nothing.. Haha..

Don't know how much I believe the whole you can't smoke and be violent thing anymore. The hell they putting in that stuff these days? How did (they) smoke non stop every day in high school.

Ill stick to drinking and making bad decisions, that's all I need. Screw the rest. But if its your thing, that's your right.

formica · 01-03-14, 06:38 AM

I think we should run Odds on which politician will be the first to bring up this article as evidence for prohibition in an interview, and which news station will be the first to air it

.....i bet it will be part of Drug Education within 3 years

KORBIN5895 · 01-03-14, 07:21 AM

I get where you are coming from Shaun and as far as medical marijuana goes I wouldn't say a peep about that but how do you feel about recreational morphine use? Morphine is definitely a great medical tool but recreationally I'm against it.

Now all legalizing it will do is drive up the prices.

Anyway my stance on recreational drug use really isn't what I hold others too. It's my belief and my standard and it's what I try to live my life by.

robertjnovak59 · 01-03-14, 08:53 AM

I can see both sides of the argument. I've been sober for 7 years now. I can honestly say that the laws were not a deterrent for me or anyone I knew. I'm in the process of getting guardianship of my friends kid because she's got a drug problem. If an addict wants to get high, they will get high. I spent 6 months in prison and the majority of the guys that I was locked up with planned on getting high as soon as they were released. I understand why people think drugs should be illegal, but I don't think the laws stop anyone from using.

mmarchl23 · 01-03-14, 10:13 AM

my 2 cents...

I truly think legalization is the key here. As said, it should be controlled similar to alcohol and tobacco. Again, it will not stop under age use, how ever it would result in many positives for those who chose to partake and others as well.
Current street prices are insane, the true cost of production is minimal compared to what a user pays (i know people who do grow).
It is this way for any Black Market item, for example i could buy a 38 cal snub revolver at my local gun shop for a few hundred dollars depending on make and model. the same weapon could cost in the thousands if i were to purchase it through less than legal means (not that i have any use to, that's some bad juju).
Cannabis could be heavily taxed and still be sold at considerably lower prices. these taxes could be applied to school systems improved roads and even in the battle against the dangerous hard drugs such as meth and heroin so even if you don't use it still helps you.
More importantly though, if it is a gov't controlled substance how many people, even kids would risk buying a batch that has been laced with something far more dangerous.... the answer is zero. I would rather find out that my kid got a safe controlled substance than find them strung out cause they bought from a shady dealer who put worse stuff in it to turn a bigger profit.
And to clear things up, pot heads and stoners are not addicts. There is zero physical dependency related to use of cannabis or THC (the active ingredient) if you take a tokers weed they dont go through withdrawal they just dont get high. ive gone through tobacco withdrawal, i've seen an alcoholic get clean and have a brother in law who finally is clean of heroin. None of this occurs when the weed runs out, you just chill until you can get more.
Any one who steals or causes harm to another just to get some bud has other deep seated issues, its got nothing to do with the plant.
to wrap things up, How many people die each year from tobacco related illness or alcohol related issues? Now compare that to Weed Related deaths, somethings fishy... We live in a world where deadly substances are the norm but something that has proven medicinal use, an addiction rate of 0 and no toxicity is illegal.

Mikoh4792 · 01-03-14, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I get where you are coming from Shaun and as far as medical marijuana goes I wouldn't say a peep about that but how do you feel about recreational morphine use? Morphine is definitely a great medical tool but recreationally I'm against it.

Now all legalizing it will do is drive up the prices.

Do you feel the same way about recreational use of alcohol or tobacco?

Jinxygirl · 01-03-14, 02:32 PM

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It's illegal and he's still getting it isn't he? If it's legal it will be regulated like alcohol, where you need to be of certain age to get it.

Besides, why make it illegal for everyone else because of your son? Should I be against cars if my son runs over a person?

If it wasn't weed it would be something else. Don't blame the plant, blame the person. Other people know not to steal and how to use substances responsibly.

I agree with you Mikoh, also.. by the way it sounds the kid probably wasn't just smoking weed.. I don't know for sure obviously but being someone that started smoking at a young age I never knew anyone that went that far to get their hands on weed. I knew plenty of kids that were stealing large quantities of money for pills and other scary stuff that can actually do serious harm. Maybe it's different where I am from since Cannabis is very easy to get in my area but I don't think anyone would go that far to get something as mild as weed.

Terranaut · 01-03-14, 02:37 PM

I also hate the amount of my taxes that go to policing it too. Why have it illegal? Why not tax it legally and benefit everyone as opposed to costing everyone. People used to call it a gateway drug but in reality alcohol is the number one gateway drug for 99.99999% of the world population.

PearlLove · 01-03-14, 02:57 PM

Just like everyone else said, that is bologna!

I am personally okay with the legalization even though I don't condone smoking myself.
I think it is way better than alcohol. I also believe it will be harder for kids to get their hands on it (I know, that sounds crazy, but bear with me). Teens who are addicted to cigarettes have a harder time finding someone to buy them cigs than they do to go out and buy some bud off a "friend".

Just my opinion. I don't want to offend!
P.S. I think bud is bad.. But hey, if someone else likes it.. Whatever. Ya know?

KORBIN5895 · 01-03-14, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Do you feel the same way about recreational use of alcohol or tobacco?

Alcohol yes. Tobacco no.

Don't get me wrong, I've been drunk, stoned and high before. Unfortunately it wasn't always my decision hence my personal convictions.

LadyWraith · 01-03-14, 03:21 PM

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I see no difference between weed and booze myself. It amazes me how we socially accept one drug but the denounce another. There is not much difference at all.

<----- This.

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This is a point I often like to make. You don't need to be a pot head to smoke pot, you don't need to be an alcoholic to drink alcohol, and you don't need to be a chain smoker to smoke tobacco. The problems don't lie with these substances, it lies with the people using them.

<----- This.

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

I also hate the amount of my taxes that go to policing it too. Why have it illegal? Why not tax it legally and benefit everyone as opposed to costing everyone. People used to call it a gateway drug but in reality alcohol is the number one gateway drug for 99.99999% of the world population.

<---- And this.

Caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine... all drugs that are frequently consumed legally. I can go on and on about this but I refuse to state facts without citing the info and I'm too lazy for that amount of work lol.

Mikoh4792 · 01-03-14, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

I also hate the amount of my taxes that go to policing it too. Why have it illegal? Why not tax it legally and benefit everyone as opposed to costing everyone. People used to call it a gateway drug but in reality alcohol is the number one gateway drug for 99.99999% of the world population.

Yup and not to mention the other uses with hemp/weed that we could take advantage of.(Food, paper, rope, fuel...etc). Doesn't just have to be about smoking it for it's psychoactive properties.

Mikoh4792 · 01-03-14, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinxygirl

I agree with you Mikoh, also.. by the way it sounds the kid probably wasn't just smoking weed.. I don't know for sure obviously but being someone that started smoking at a young age I never knew anyone that went that far to get their hands on weed. I knew plenty of kids that were stealing large quantities of money for pills and other scary stuff that can actually do serious harm. Maybe it's different where I am from since Cannabis is very easy to get in my area but I don't think anyone would go that far to get something as mild as weed.

It does sound fishy for sure, but we have to give the benefit of the doubt to the person telling her story. However, I would mention that it probably wasn't the pot that messed the person up.

Would have been stealing...etc anyways. Because I know plenty of people who steal, lie, hurt others without taking drugs. It isn't the drugs that are causing the problems. But when you take a drug and do something bad, it's very easy to blame the drug. Scapegoating at it's best.

Jinxygirl · 01-03-14, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

It does sound fishy for sure, but we have to give the benefit of the doubt to the person telling her story. However, I would mention that it probably wasn't the pot that messed the person up.

Would have been stealing...etc anyways. Because I know plenty of people who steal, lie, hurt others without taking drugs. It isn't the drugs that are causing the problems. But when you take a drug and do something bad, it's very easy to blame the drug. Scapegoating at it's best.

Very true.