Anybody able to tell the sex of my Sav? this one has me stumped.. - Page 4

nepoez · 10-23-13, 11:15 PM

Don't worry, when I first came here I had some people demanding to see photos of my cage and temp. I told them the size and humidity and basking temp and the chick(i think it was a girl) said unless I showed photos, I'm basically making it up lol. yeah I was pissed off too. But I got over it, I'm here for info and I got lots of that and that's what counts.

ErikBush97 · 10-23-13, 11:37 PM

The people here gladly put an animals health before someone's feelings. May sound harsh, but I'm sure any animal lover like VaranidLover can understand why people are like that.

varanus_mad · 10-27-13, 05:54 PM

Funny really I used to post regularly on varanid care.

And threads like these made me remember why I don't...

V87 · 10-30-13, 04:50 PM

^ agreed 100% ....

Makes u wonder really ....

infernalis · 10-30-13, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by varanus_mad

Funny really I used to post regularly on varanid care.

And threads like these made me remember why I don't...

Shane, you see the mess I'm up against on facebook mate. It's worse than the forums ever will be.

varanus_mad · 11-01-13, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Shane, you see the mess I'm up against on facebook mate. It's worse than the forums ever will be.

True and i post even less on there...

Whole groups dedicated to patting each other on the back and showing of sickly and obese animals...

I got kicked out of a varanid group when i first started using them around a 2 years ago.

over a heated discussion on green tree monitor care... Turns out arguing with a mod is a no no.

nepoez · 11-04-13, 09:08 AM

If the goal is to educate people to save the animals, then as you present the facts or the education to the target audience you need to be focused on the goal. If your attitude, emotion(anger), pride, or ego gets in the way of the goal, you have failed. Not many people can take the truth in such a harsh way and if you insist on being rude in the way you deliver the message, they might shut their ears off and you fail to achieve your goal.

Honestly I think a lot of experts lose focus of this goal. They'll keep that as their goal if the target audience is easy and very open minded. However as soon as any resistance is met, their goal to help educate owners to provide better care becomes secondary, while their primary goal seems to have become the need to show people how stupid they are for not listening to you and acknowledging that you are an expert while they are not.

V87 · 11-04-13, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nepoez

If the goal is to educate people to save the animals, then as you present the facts or the education to the target audience you need to be focused on the goal. If your attitude, emotion(anger), pride, or ego gets in the way of the goal, you have failed. Not many people can take the truth in such a harsh way and if you insist on being rude in the way you deliver the message, they might shut their ears off and you fail to achieve your goal.

Honestly I think a lot of experts lose focus of this goal. They'll keep that as their goal if the target audience is easy and very open minded. However as soon as any resistance is met, their goal to help educate owners to provide better care becomes secondary, while their primary goal seems to have become the need to show people how stupid they are for not listening to you and acknowledging that you are an expert while they are not.

Who is an expert ? I don't knw any experts ....

I think what Shane is trying to get across is that after 5 or so years it gets hard to keep coming back ... I think in this world u have people who will listen and those that just don't want to what ever tact u use wether it's nice or tough love ...

No body just gives up but u can pick and choose ur battles rather than wasting ur breath and effort ...

infernalis · 11-04-13, 10:26 AM

There are no experts, except the monitors themselves.. They are the masters of making do with deplorable conditions and hiding their pain.

Everyone else is still learning.

If we chose to group people, there are those with common sense and those without.

Unfortunately, those without common sense are also most likely to not use birth controls and spread their "ignorant genes" around.

mdfmonitor · 11-04-13, 03:55 PM

there's a few out there that have bred them for many years!! they've just had enough of the wave of keepers that don't want to learn.

Just above the 2 buckets>

same window & 6 months later same window>

i couldn't keep them in a small box like that.