Gender Consciousness - Page 2

MDT · 08-26-13, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

Where are these naked pictures?

There are a couple fairly risqué ones on FB to begin with....(at least that's what I've been told

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But Lady Bug...I think these are women who would shed clothes no matter what hobby they were involved in.

**lady_bug87** · 08-26-13, 06:45 PM

you can call me Lori
and you're probably right. I just think it happens more frequently here on our hobby

smy_749 · 08-26-13, 06:48 PM

It can't be that frequent if I haven't seen any

**Aaron_S** · 08-26-13, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Are you being literal?

I don't see how women in particular would be portrayed in a good or bad way in the reptile hobby. Afterall, it's just another hobby. It has nothing to do with gender and more to do with how individuals carry themselves.

Yes, she's literal. There's plenty of them if you know where to look.

I think over a general look of women vs men that women have a harder time getting the same respect a man would. In my opinion it takes a woman more effort to get that respect and probably have to prove themselves whereas a guy gets a lot more credit way quicker. With far fewer people asking for proof.

There's a severe lack of women in the hobby at the top level. Be it breeder, conservationist, scientist, whatever etc. and I think it affects things.

I definitely see women looked as "lesser" and that has a lot to do with how women represent themselves. This includes a few things and one of them would be their sometimes overly emotional actions towards the animals. I've seen firsthand someone kill a snake with overcare. It happens.

I'd love to see a female dominated breeder. Especially in the more common stuff as it'll be shown more. Most of the time it's always a husband/woman team and not even a woman/husband team if they are highly successful.

MDT · 08-26-13, 06:53 PM

Annnd...you can call me Matt

The same thing happens on some of the gun boards I frequent...I consider myself a very responsible shooter...that being said, I get rather tired of seeing the "redneck" or "zombie hunter" or the "Rambo" all with their fingers inside the trigger guards or sweeping the muzzle of their guns in unsafe directions in the pictures they post. I think every hobby has it's goofballs...unfortunately social media brings them out by the truck loads.

**lady_bug87** · 08-26-13, 07:10 PM

No kidding

**Aaron_S** · 08-26-13, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MDT

Annnd...you can call me Matt

The same thing happens on some of the gun boards I frequent...I consider myself a very responsible shooter...that being said, I get rather tired of seeing the "redneck" or "zombie hunter" or the "Rambo" all with their fingers inside the trigger guards or sweeping the muzzle of their guns in unsafe directions in the pictures they post. I think every hobby has it's goofballs...unfortunately social media brings them out by the truck loads.

You are correct Matt. It does bring out the worst it seems. the BOI is full of threads about poop that started on social media.

Unfortunately, my take on the topic at hand is the same from over 10 years. (One time longevity is useful) I've never seen women do much except seem to be sexualized as they are almost anywhere. The problem is, in a lot of other professions or hobbies there are women who accomplish a lot or who have. All on their lonesome. I see in this hobby that it's lacking and often overlooked.

We've got a few.

Kathy Love is probably the only one I know of who doesn't have a husband attached. Tracy Barker has her husband Dave but that's not to take away her brilliance either but I think she may get slightly overlooked because he is there.

I see these two women kind of quietly being great and wish there was a woman to dominate more in the front lines like some of the guys do.

MDT · 08-26-13, 07:27 PM

I spoke to Tracy Barker one day years ago by phone...very gracious and knowledgable beyond most in the hobby.

Grace Olive Wiley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ......Grace was probably the "first lady" of herps. Definitely a trail blazer for women in the hobby.

Hannibalcanibal · 08-26-13, 07:27 PM

The way i see it is, men are more.. I guess flashy when it comes to reptiles. As in, we tend to show off a lot, write a lot of articles and such, whereas females are a bit quieter, which is why it may seem like there are not as many of them with all the men who make youtube shows, make websites, show off animals, etc.

Just my 2c.

franks · 08-26-13, 07:27 PM

Expanding on what aaraon was saying: it is my opinion that a woman (broad generalization) is less likely to showcase what she knows and flaunt it. Therefore, the females in our hobby that do have a vast amount of knowledge are generally over-shouted by some of the men on forums, even if they do not know half as much as said women. So to specifically answer your question, Lori, it is my opinion that the general way women present themselves in the reptile hobby is much more reserved than your general male would be.

Hannibalcanibal · 08-26-13, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by franks

Expanding on what aaraon was saying: it is my opinion that a woman (broad generalization) is less likely to showcase what she knows and flaunt it. Therefore, the females in our hobby that do have a vast amount of knowledge are generally over-shouted by some of the men on forums, even if they do not know half as much as said women. So to specifically answer your question, Lori, it is my opinion that the general way women present themselves in the reptile hobby is much more reserved than your general male would be.

^agreed....

**Aaron_S** · 08-26-13, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by franks

Expanding on what aaraon was saying: it is my opinion that a woman (broad generalization) is less likely to showcase what she knows and flaunt it. Therefore, the females in our hobby that do have a vast amount of knowledge are generally over-shouted by some of the men on forums, even if they do not know half as much as said women. So to specifically answer your question, Lori, it is my opinion that the general way women present themselves in the reptile hobby is much more reserved than your general male would be.

That's a valid point.

Problem I see with it though is there's a lot of ladies with little knowledge who are loud soto speak and thus make the rest of the women in the hobby look bad too. It makes it difficult for those women you speak of to gain any respect or traction without working extra hard because a lot of women find it great to show their bodies.

I get it. That anyone has a right to their personal choosing but I think we should all strive a little to ensure you aren't hampering anyone else's ability to do something.

Also Matt, thanks for that link! I had no idea about her. Too bad she ended up being a bad example of anyone with venomous snakes. I guess the saving grace is the fact it was so long ago in the infancy of the hobby.

Awaiting Abyss · 08-26-13, 09:41 PM

I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of this thread, since I was unaware there were any stereotypes. Though I'm sure as with most stereotypes it just isn't true.
I'm not sure why anyone would group all women together. No offense, but I think very little of most men. However, when I meet a man I look at them as an equal until they give me a reason to think less of them. The same goes for women. I look at them as equals until they give me a reason to think less of them.

My fiance could care less about all of my rodents and my snake.. The only animals he really cares for is the cats. It frustrates me that he isn't as fascinated by all animals as I am. I spend most of my free time researching animals of all kinds, and I have always done this since I was old enough to read.

red ink · 08-26-13, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I was referring to the average hobbyist,

Like I said I think its interesting. And I see waay too many naked pictures publically posted by young women in this hobby to feel that there isnt some kind of stereotype involved.

I think outbursts like that have an effect on how ALL women are received

What's nudity got to do with respect... in reverse what's sharp clothing got to do with respect?

Respect is earned regardless of the amount of clothing male or female.

Are you asking if naked pics are damaging the image of women in the hobby?

The answer to that is yes - but only if the person looking is a backward chauvanist numb nut... the rest of us that don't equate your status/respect to your image and the ability you have in keeping animals... nudity is icing on the cake.

SSSSnakes · 08-26-13, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

you're married. Look at your wife.

That was a great answer.

I find that there are too many reptile loving women that feel the need to use sexuality to get attention, and too many Horn Dogs that give it to them. I have left one site because it was more of a dating site than a reptile site. I hate it when a nice Lady post a non provocative picture of her and her reptile and some idiot ask, "is there a snake in that picture?"

The problem is we have a lot of beautiful ladies on here and most guys see the looks and don't care if they have a brain. Honestly, I don't know half the time if I am talking to a women or a guy, if their avatar is not a picture of themselves. I respect anyone who is respectful of others. So to answer the original question, I think it is about 50/50 how women portray themselves. The ones that post sexy pictures are only looking for attention and it goes the same for the guys. Do we really need to see guys holding their reptiles with their shirts off or next to their favorite toy (motorcycle, sports car, gun, guitar, etc.) Lets just keep it reptiles, there are many other forums for the sexy stuff.