Fr ?

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Send him a link then?

Or go bad mouth him in the forums he IS on so he has the chance to respond to the accusations.

I have no idea who the guy is, never dealt with him online or offline but it seems pretty childish to talk sbout him like this "behind his back"

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Or go bad mouth him in the forums he IS on so he has the chance to respond to the accusations.

I have no idea who the guy is, never dealt with him online or offline but it seems pretty childish to talk sbout him like this "behind his back"

Its not difficult for him to come to other forums . And I'm sure people have told him. The problem is if you post something on other forums about him, you will be ganged up on, and he will have it deleted...Don't say you don't know who he is, and then talk about whats childish please.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Its not difficult for him to come to other forums . And I'm sure people have told him. The problem is if you post something on other forums about him, you will be ganged up on, and he will have it deleted...Don't say you don't know who he is, and then talk about whats childish please.

I dont know who he is except he has something to do with monitors. I would say exactly the same thing about any thread that is set up purely to badmouth someone with no chance to defend themselves

[Pirarucu]

Rob, FR knows full well that he is badmouthed on other forums. The only reason he isn't badmouthed on his own is that he kicks anyone who doesn't worship him. Try going to an Australian Varanid forum to see what they have to say about him... LOL.
If we were launching unfounded accusations at him then I would agree with you, but none of what has been said is without basis.

[crocdoc]

Originally Posted by Barlow

If you don't like him you can ignore him.

If you don't like others talking about FR, you can ignore them.

This was going to be a much longer post and I was going to explain to you why I think it's important to point out what a fraud he is when he goes on his anti-science rants and claims to know what monitors do in the wild more than the biologists that study them, but you'll never understand that. You live in the UK, have never seen a monitor in the wild (and probably never will), so you're his target audience.

As for making fun of his female varius dying, I've never done that. It saddened me, as it was completely preventable. They weren't long term captives, either. His first female was, as he got it from someone else, but she died after producing two young. The others all died at very young ages (unless he's lying about number of clutches and number of babies, for you can easily do the maths yourself). They're a very long lived species.

This isn't the first time you've had a whinge about people talking about your hero, CJ. We know you're a fanboy, is there any other point you were trying to make?

[crocdoc]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Or go bad mouth him in the forums he IS on so he has the chance to respond to the accusations.

I have no idea who the guy is, never dealt with him online or offline but it seems pretty childish to talk sbout him like this "behind his back"

I don't say anything here that I haven't said to him on other forums. He moderates his own forum, so those posts would never see the light of day if I was ever stupid enough to post there (but the bashings he gives others remain) and he's good friends with the owners of KS, so the moderation on there is, to say the least, a little bit lob-sided. There was a very long thread, started by him (as a bash against Daniel Bennett), titled 'where have all the Daniels gone'. The moderators cherry-picked through the responses and removed all that painted FR in a negative light, as there were a lot of those. People are fed up with his behaviour. Many people saw those posts disappear, so don't take my word for it. What's left of that thread is still on KS, from early 2012, but it's been 'cleaned up'.

[crocdoc]

Out of curiosity, when FR posts crap about other people on his forum (even people that aren't members of his forum) do you stand up for them, too? Do you criticise FR for posting crap about them? Do you tell him that if he doesn't like them, he should just ignore them? Do you tell FR about the good things they do?

If not, why not?

Do you not see this as being a bit hypocritical on your part?

Thanks.

[Lankyrob]

I only use this forum and one other small corn snake forum, so i never see "him" bash other people. If i was on those forums yes i would call him or anyone else out on it if he posted about people that werent able to rrespond.

DOnt get me wrong, i have no issue with confrontation, debate etc but i do have an issue when someone is being "bashed" without having that rit to rreply. Its looks like a group of kids in the corner of a playground laughing and joking about someone who isnt in their clique.

[murrindindi]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I only use this forum and one other small corn snake forum, so i never see "him" bash other people. If i was on those forums yes i would call him or anyone else out on it if he posted about people that werent able to rrespond.

DOnt get me wrong, i have no issue with confrontation, debate etc but i do have an issue when someone is being "bashed" without having that rit to rreply. Its looks like a group of kids in the corner of a playground laughing and joking about someone who isnt in their clique.

Hi, I gave some details on a few threads earlier, why not go and read them then you`ll have an idea why some people get quite angry at times.

Here again: varanus.net, page 61: RE: Nesting 2 (Frank Retes). 17th feb. 2012.
I was involved in the thread, it`s the same topic that David (crocdoc) was also involved in on Kingsnake.com, see below.

Kingsnake.com, page 3: Nest boxes vs whole cage nesting (Frank Retes). 10th feb 2012.

Somewhere around that time there was another thread, I think it might have been started by Dr. Daniel Bennett (maybe not?), anyway, Daniel simply asked Frank Retes to stop misquoting him and that he should apologise, Frank`s response was "I`d like to punch you in the face". When a number of us objected, a "friend" of Frank`s ("lizardheadmike") described us as a bunch of bullies for "ganging up" on him (Frank)!?
Obviously in their books it`s perfectly acceptable to threaten people with physical violence if they ask for an apology for being deliberately misquoted time and again... I hope that wasn`t the thread they deleted that David mentions?

[_Varanidae_]

Originally Posted by murrindindi

Obviously in their books...

They have books? Now that's akerdemick...

[Lankyrob]

I dont care what he says, what pisses me off is slagging people off behind their back. I am not going to join other forums just to read a couple of threads

[Barlow]

Originally Posted by crocdoc

If you don't like others talking about FR, you can ignore them.

This was going to be a much longer post and I was going to explain to you why I think it's important to point out what a fraud he is when he goes on his anti-science rants and claims to know what monitors do in the wild more than the biologists that study them, but you'll never understand that. You live in the UK, have never seen a monitor in the wild (and probably never will), so you're his target audience.

As for making fun of his female varius dying, I've never done that. It saddened me, as it was completely preventable. They weren't long term captives, either. His first female was, as he got it from someone else, but she died after producing two young. The others all died at very young ages (unless he's lying about number of clutches and number of babies, for you can easily do the maths yourself). They're a very long lived species.

This isn't the first time you've had a whinge about people talking about your hero, CJ. We know you're a fanboy, is there any other point you were trying to make?

Hi David. Firstly I have seen monitors in the wild. I have spent 2 months travelling asia and got to observe salvators in the wild. I took a particular interest as I had previously kept salvators (around 18 years ago). Also half my family live in australia and I currently have a trip planned for next year although it is yet to be confirmed. No prizes for guessing what I will be doing while over there.

You seem to have taken my post as if it was directed solely at you. It wasn't. I was making reference to Waynes goannaranch.net website that he quickly took down once it was publicised on varanus.net. If I remember correctly it showed a picture of a dried corpse of a monitor with a caption of "heres what happened to all the arizona lace females hahahahahahahah". Something along those lines. Very childish and hypocritical coming from someone who killed a monitor from poor husbandry.

In the past, yes I have had a whinge. That was around 2 years ago and I have learnt a lot since then. Some of it through the emails you sent me, some through word of mouth and some from the links you posted on this very thread. I didn't enter this thread to stand FR's corner for him. I started by saying how I can understand peoples grievances with him. I have merely highlighted his good points to counter everybody else who are highlighting his bad points. I'm not sure why you feel the need to call me a fanboy, or say that FR is my hero. I'm not a child. I don't have posters on my bedroom wall. I admire FR for the way he has taught me to think about husbandry of all reptiles in captivity. To not follow a method but to think for ones self and to listen to the animals (I know you hate that phrase). To think outside of the box. At the end of the day, most successful keepers advocate the same techniques as FR.

I honestly do see his BS sometimes and how his ego effects his posts. An example of this is when a few months ago I reported that a couple of a group of ackies that I had been raising from the egg looked to be female and gravid at 5 months old. FR replied it was entirely possible and that his record was a female laying at 6 months old and 12" total length. 3 weeks later I reported that I had had 2 females lay ay around 6 months old and 12" total length. FR congratulated me and said I was doing great, but that his record was having a female lay at 5 months old at 11" total length.

I made a mistake a couple of years ago David, of mentioning you in a post where, admittedy I was peeved at people jumping on FR's back. I have apologised to you twice for this and explained that I had had a couple of beers and I deeply regretted it afterwards. I hope you accepted my apology. Since then I have learnt a lot more and I just enjoy FR for his good points and ignore the rest. I understand more now why people are so on his back, but like I said, I can't just say nothing when people take the piss out of disabilities and dead monitors.

Originally Posted by crocdoc

Out of curiosity, when FR posts crap about other people on his forum (even people that aren't members of his forum) do you stand up for them, too? Do you criticise FR for posting crap about them? Do you tell him that if he doesn't like them, he should just ignore them? Do you tell FR about the good things they do?

If not, why not?

Do you not see this as being a bit hypocritical on your part?

Thanks.

Since I have been a member on varanus.net I have not witnessed him personally attack another well respected member of any forum. If FR was to make fun of someones disability or make fun of their dead monitors then hell yes I would say something. It was those 2 points that made me first comment on this thread. I am not a member of KS and have not visited the site before you posted those links.

I have a massive amount of respest for you David as a hobbyist and I enjoy how open you are about your success and techniques with your pair of varius aswell as your photography and field reports. Long may that continue and I hope there is no bad blood between us due to our differing opinions of FR.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I dont care what he says, what pisses me off is slagging people off behind their back. I am not going to join other forums just to read a couple of threads

Good thing no one asked you...

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I dont care what he says, what pisses me off is slagging people off behind their back. I am not going to join other forums just to read a couple of threads

How quickly the tides may turn when someone starts talking about lankyrob behind his back...I would be curious to see what you have to say about that man, or would you wait till hes around as well? Not that it justifies me talking about him, but I certainly cannot blame crocdoc for his dislike of FR (if you read the thread murr posted here which is on page 61 FR's forum, you can get a taste for what he thinks of crocdoc and probably science/facts in general, He also mentions some mistakes of his other competitors 'pro-exotics and rare earth, saying that they keep animals in crap conditions, so they make up for it with a good nest box, and that's why the only reason monitors use them)

I personally would agree with you, if the man being talked about was a man of respect, who doesn't backbite or mock, and treated his peers as equals. However when you think every one is a monkey and nobody gets it right until you've done it, its a different case. I have a buddy of mine, who hates reptiles mind you, doesn't care for forums, and when FR started responding the way he did, I showed him just to make sure I wasn't overreacting/making something out of nothing. He just said "yea, that dudes an *******" and laughed.....doesn't get much more unbiased than that.

That being said, I don't think people here would discredit the benefit he brings, or not practice something proven to be beneficial in husbandry, only because he uses it or w.e (basking racks). Honestly, his attitude greatly affects his respect, and the manner in which he is brought up in conversation...things would be much different had he been a polite human being.

My point in that rant: karma is a B / taste of your own medicine / he deserves it.

[murrindindi]

Originally Posted by _Varanidae_

They have books? Now that's akerdemick...

No, not real books (I think they may be forbidden), I was just using that word instead of "in their opinion".... (My aploogies for misleading you)...