Snake on lap.

[TeaNinja]

i like your stockings. lol.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Tracy33

Ok now your really being funny . In previous posts , what then i meant to say was , that when he comes over to me , he SEEMS to not mind, and he SEEMS to take a stroke under the chin .Its all of his free choice , and YES i think his cool with that . Its really not rocket science , if he did not like it , he would move away , its as simple as that !!!

You're trying to be funny now.

If he DOES like it then make notes and write a paper is what I'm saying. Why be selfish and keep this incredible cognitive snake to yourself?

I think it's false because then all cornsnakes and ball pythons and every other docile animal likes being handled.

You say he'd just move away if he didn't like it and then prior to that just say "it SEEMS" that way. It's plainly obvious that you are coming to the conclusion that he has the ability to 'feel' well above any reported scientific findings prior. Why not report that officially? Stand behind your own statement.

[Pareeeee]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You're trying to be funny now.

If he DOES like it then make notes and write a paper is what I'm saying. Why be selfish and keep this incredible cognitive snake to yourself?

I think it's false because then all cornsnakes and ball pythons and every other docile animal likes being handled.

You say he'd just move away if he didn't like it and then prior to that just say "it SEEMS" that way. It's plainly obvious that you are coming to the conclusion that he has the ability to 'feel' well above any reported scientific findings prior. Why not report that officially? Stand behind your own statement.

I don't know what to think. Scientific behavioural studies with reptiles are really behind the times, they are discovering new things about lizards and snakes all the time.

What I think is that he doesn't necessary "like" being petted, but after 15 years of conditioning is "used" to it. Just like snakes come to recognize feeding tongs, they can come to recognize and get used to other things, such as their owners. I doubt they "like" their owners, they like warmth and they can become accustomed to things.

Do I make sense?

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You're trying to be funny now.

If he DOES like it then make notes and write a paper is what I'm saying. Why be selfish and keep this incredible cognitive snake to yourself?

I think it's false because then all cornsnakes and ball pythons and every other docile animal likes being handled.

You say he'd just move away if he didn't like it and then prior to that just say "it SEEMS" that way. It's plainly obvious that you are coming to the conclusion that he has the ability to 'feel' well above any reported scientific findings prior. Why not report that officially? Stand behind your own statement.

I dont understand you , and you are just wanting to wind this up . What is wrong with a snake that wants to hang out , there are plenty of times he does not want to be touched or handled . Snakes have bad eyesight and no ears , but they can sense what is around them , it is a fact . What else can i say to you . I think you should write a paper , as you know so much !!!

[Sophia'sSophia]

It's ok to humanize a snake's tolerances. They're pets, we build up their personalities out of their actions, its our way. I dont think Tracy is stupidly saying "He would like nothing more!" or something of the sort.

Don't let the picky attitude wind you up, Tracy.

And now for a completely different topic: I'm not that familiar with non-colubrids, pardon the ignorance. What kind of snake is this?

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Pareeeee

I don't know what to think. Scientific behavioural studies with reptiles are really behind the times, they are discovering new things about lizards and snakes all the time.

What I think is that he doesn't necessary "like" being petted, but after 15 years of conditioning is "used" to it. Just like snakes come to recognize feeding tongs, they can come to recognize and get used to other things, such as their owners. I doubt they "like" their owners, they like warmth and they can become accustomed to things.

Do I make sense?

You make sense but a paper should be written if this is fully true.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Tracy33

I dont understand you , and you are just wanting to wind this up . What is wrong with a snake that wants to hang out , there are plenty of times he does not want to be touched or handled . Snakes have bad eyesight and no ears , but they can sense what is around them , it is a fact . What else can i say to you . I think you should write a paper , as you know so much !!!

Papers already are written on my stance. It's where I gather my knowledge. I'm saying someone like you, who sees them differently should publish their findings.

Apparently that suggestion isn't allowed.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Pareeeee

I don't know what to think. Scientific behavioural studies with reptiles are really behind the times, they are discovering new things about lizards and snakes all the time.

What I think is that he doesn't necessary "like" being petted, but after 15 years of conditioning is "used" to it. Just like snakes come to recognize feeding tongs, they can come to recognize and get used to other things, such as their owners. I doubt they "like" their owners, they like warmth and they can become accustomed to things.

Do I make sense?

I agree with that , and i have read about this in recent times. As you say , they are doing more research now .

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Sophia'sSophia

It's ok to humanize a snake's tolerances. They're pets, we build up their personalities out of their actions, its our way. I dont think Tracy is stupidly saying "He would like nothing more!" or something of the sort.

Don't let the picky attitude wind you up, Tracy.

And now for a completely different topic: I'm not that familiar with non-colubrids, pardon the ignorance. What kind of snake is this?

Thank you Sophia , i could not have put it better myself .

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Papers already are written on my stance. It's where I gather my knowledge. I'm saying someone like you, who sees them differently should publish their findings.

Apparently that suggestion isn't allowed.

I do not see snakes differently , if you can not understand everything i have been saying , then there is something wrong with you. Yes i worded it wrong at start , but now have set the record straight.

[Pareeeee]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You make sense but a paper should be written if this is fully true.

Yes but no one is writing one It seems that more research is done on mammals & birds than reptiles. I mean they only discovered that varanids have venom in what, 2006? How did they miss THAT all these years?

The problem with snakes is that they are rather difficult to read. They are very alien compared to us, no legs, no ears, their behaviour is quite different from other animals. I think most animals are more intelligent than we give them credit, they are always surprising us.

I know that the brain size = intelligence is a myth (for the most part), considering that mice can be trained to do all kinds of tricks and have the ability to figure things out, yet some animals with larger brains don't *seem* as intelligent.

Even my FISH (an animal that most people consider to be stupid) have memory and recognition ability. If they were wild, they would flee from a big creature such as a human, but they recognize that I mean food, and become especially excited when they see the red food container.

So if fish can recognize things, then surely we can't rule out that snakes can too? I know I overuse the "they recognize the feeding tongs" thing, but it does show some type of memory recall and recognition ability, no matter how primitive.

Anyways, I'm rambling. I could talk about this stuff forever.

[sws]

^^
i feed all my snakes in a tub that i clean out even if i clean with bleach and all that the moment my snakes go into the tub they go strait into feed mode tell they are done then i use the lid to block their heads so they cant bite me and pet them and after that they calm down and i can put them away without being bit.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Sophia'sSophia

It's ok to humanize a snake's tolerances. They're pets, we build up their personalities out of their actions, its our way. I dont think Tracy is stupidly saying "He would like nothing more!" or something of the sort.

Don't let the picky attitude wind you up, Tracy.

And now for a completely different topic: I'm not that familiar with non-colubrids, pardon the ignorance. What kind of snake is this?

Sophia , he is a Carpet Python .

[Sophia'sSophia]

Thank you kindly.
He's very cute, looks lovely.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Sophia'sSophia

Thank you kindly.
He's very cute, looks lovely.

Thank you for your kind words . Tracy.