feeding question

[exwizard]

Originally Posted by Ms. Medusa

Sure fire thing is? What works for one keeper will not work for another---

When I first started working with snakes I was told 2 hard and fast rules by 2 mentors.

Number one Mentor's advice was: NEVER feed in an enclosure.

Number two Mentor's advice was: ALWAYS feed in an enclosure....


...I have well over 150 snakes at the moment. I can't pull each and every one out every time I do feedings. So they are mostly fed in their racks. However when I started working with snakes I took every snake out, put it in a 'tote' and fed it there. I have some now I just feed on top of the table while I clean their enclosure....but I've known them for several years and they will eat anyplace...

I like you. That's pretty sound advice and a great way to make your points! Thank you.

[Aaron_S]

[QUOTE=Gluttony;814560]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

snakes stomach acid can deal with teeth and bone,imo a bit of substrate will not cause any issues mate

also it's stomach acid remains in the stomach until the prey is fully digested,snakes are completely different to humans,so it's not any use compairing snakes to humans

For the sake of argument,I beg to differ, there is a difference between wood and a mouse & rats organic compounds, teeth and bone get digested and wood comes out the same & CAN cause a blockage, I have seen this first hand in my own collection and is an unnecessary risk. For the tenth time THAT IS MY OPINION dammit & I am not pushing it on the op unlike some others are pushing what works for them.
Why cant people just share what works for them without discrediting others. SMH

What species of snake was impacted that you've seen in your collection?

I've never seen impaction by any means in the years I've worked with various different species.

I ask because I'm curious if there's an underlying reason for it. Keeper's are now realizing temperatures are too low for some lizards to eat and digest all prey items properly and I'm wondering if it's true for snake species as well. I know Western Hognose snakes were kept far too cool and now that people are used warmer temperatures they have great eaters all the time, out of the egg as well as better breeding animals.

[jarich]

[QUOTE=Gluttony;814560]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

snakes stomach acid can deal with teeth and bone,imo a bit of substrate will not cause any issues mate

also it's stomach acid remains in the stomach until the prey is fully digested,snakes are completely different to humans,so it's not any use compairing snakes to humans

For the sake of argument,I beg to differ, there is a difference between wood and a mouse & rats organic compounds, teeth and bone get digested and wood comes out the same & CAN cause a blockage, I have seen this first hand in my own collection and is an unnecessary risk. For the tenth time THAT IS MY OPINION dammit & I am not pushing it on the op unlike some others are pushing what works for them.
Why cant people just share what works for them without discrediting others. SMH

Easy tiger! I agree with you on the digestion of plant versus animal matter. Plant cells are very difficult to break down versus animal cell walls and require different enzymes and gut fauna. Obligate carnivores will generally not be able to digest plant matter at all.

However, with that said Gluttony, you seem to be quite sensitive to people merely disagreeing with you. Shawn wasnt berating you at all but rather very casually stating his own opinion, which was different than yours. It seems like you are suggesting that if you put an opinion down that no one is allowed to question it. However, that is basically the scientific method. Someone states a hypothesis and then it gets tested, argued about, beat up and hopefully through this collective means, comes out better at the other end. We try to keep the personal judgement out of it, like Wayne said, and any name calling or bashing is against the rules, but merely disagreeing and then giving opinions on why should be something you look forward to. We are all, from new keepers to experienced breeders, hopefully always learning through this community process.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Gluttony

..Why cant people just share what works for them without discrediting others. SMH

Just so you can sleep better at night as well.

Because sometimes, what people post isn't right, in the least, no matter what.

[Gluttony]

[QUOTE=jarich;814728]

Originally Posted by Gluttony

Easy tiger! I agree with you on the digestion of plant versus animal matter. Plant cells are very difficult to break down versus animal cell walls and require different enzymes and gut fauna. Obligate carnivores will generally not be able to digest plant matter at all.

However, with that said Gluttony, you seem to be quite sensitive to people merely disagreeing with you. Shawn wasnt berating you at all but rather very casually stating his own opinion, which was different than yours. It seems like you are suggesting that if you put an opinion down that no one is allowed to question it. However, that is basically the scientific method. Someone states a hypothesis and then it gets tested, argued about, beat up and hopefully through this collective means, comes out better at the other end. We try to keep the personal judgement out of it, like Wayne said, and any name calling or bashing is against the rules, but merely disagreeing and then giving opinions on why should be something you look forward to. We are all, from new keepers to experienced breeders, hopefully always learning through this community process.

Is this thread about me or the op's question? I was casually stating what I do and was singled out for feeding outside the enclosure.

"What species of snake was impacted that you've seen in your collection?"

I had a juvenille high white cal king die from swallowing a piece of nature bark...the necropsy found a few pieces were ingested, one with a sharp edge/point

Please stay on the topic that the op posted, disregard anything that I have posted, i will not post again on any topic, don't worry. Thanks and I meant no offense

[mykee]

Wow, why are you guys attacking Glutton? He's entitled to his own opinion as are the rest of you. I disagree 100% with his feeding methods, but I'm not going to rip him a new poopchute for his methods.
Jeez people!
Members are getting dickier and dickier on here.

[jarich]

Originally Posted by mykee

Wow, why are you guys attacking Glutton? He's entitled to his own opinion as are the rest of you. I disagree 100% with his feeding methods, but I'm not going to rip him a new poopchute for his methods.
Jeez people!
Members are getting dickier and dickier on here.

I think this day needs to be recorded in the history of the forum. Mykee has officially gotten soft in his old age.

Just kidding and back to the discussion at hand. I normally recommend to new people that they feed within their enclosure as new snakes or snakes that have not been handled or acclimated can have stress levels increased by handling, especially during feeding. This can lead to the snake not eating or later regurgitating. Since the OP stated that she just got the snake about a week ago, and it refused its first feeding attempt, Id recommend not feeding it outside the enclosure just yet. Give it a few weeks to get used to its new home and then if you would like to feed in a separate tub there seems little harm in it. Studies have shown that BPs, once acclimated to human contact, are not stressed out at all by being held.

Sorry to hear that you lost a snake to impaction Gluttony, that sucks.

[Aaron_S]

[QUOTE=Gluttony;814745]

Originally Posted by jarich

Is this thread about me or the op's question? I was casually stating what I do and was singled out for feeding outside the enclosure.

"What species of snake was impacted that you've seen in your collection?"

I had a juvenille high white cal king die from swallowing a piece of nature bark...the necropsy found a few pieces were ingested, one with a sharp edge/point

Please stay on the topic that the op posted, disregard anything that I have posted, i will not post again on any topic, don't worry. Thanks and I meant no offense

Wait? What? I can't question for more details of a case of feeding inside the enclosure (which is on topic of Puff) because YOU wrote it?

I don't see how the few pieces ingested are the cause of death (unless the sharp piece pierced organs).

Regularly, snakes ingest substrate and it passed through. I'd question the death again because it sounds more like that the animal died with some pieces that hadn't passed yet. It's how stomach contents are examined in dead animals, they are there from before the animal passed them. (Again the sharp piece could be the cause if it punctured organs or something)

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by mykee

Wow, why are you guys attacking Glutton? He's entitled to his own opinion as are the rest of you. I disagree 100% with his feeding methods, but I'm not going to rip him a new poopchute for his methods.
Jeez people!
Members are getting dickier and dickier on here.

Nobody cares about you old man!

[puffinluffin]

Originally Posted by SKYlord

Wow! You own forty snakes and this is the advice you give? This is terrible advice. Please disregard this advice, op. Unless you want to get bit that is.

Just feed in the enclosure as it is less stressful for the snake and a way safer habit for you to get in if you get larger snakes.

Lol. No problem. I'm pretty new to this.however my common sense nagged, and told be to leave him where he's most comfortable. I have decided to change things to what works best for me. I do majority of his care.

He ended up taking it no problem in the enclosure. Worked out fine.
Something in my head just said leave him alone Hah.

[puffinluffin]

Can't we all just get along.

*Backs away*

[Ms. Medusa]

Originally Posted by exwizard

I like you. That's pretty sound advice and a great way to make your points! Thank you.

Thanks much! I try to keep it as real as possible

[Ms. Medusa]

Originally Posted by puffinluffin

Lol. No problem. I'm pretty new to this.however my common sense nagged, and told be to leave him where he's most comfortable. I have decided to change things to what works best for me. I do majority of his care.

He ended up taking it no problem in the enclosure. Worked out fine.
Something in my head just said leave him alone Hah.

Perfect! Listening to the voices in my head works for me too! I think you did a fantastic job of sorting through all the many viewpoints and coming up with your own!

[KORBIN5895]

This thread has almost left me speechless.....i will keep my opinions to myself as they are irrelevant to the op.

Congrats on getting him to eat puffin. He was probably just stressed.

[SKYlord]

Originally Posted by infernalis

This post is very abrasive in nature, please refrain from being judgemental.

It's perfectly acceptable to state your point of view, but not in a berating fashion.

Thanks.

I feed about half of my snakes in totes, it works for me, and has for years.

So after doing a little bit of background checking I have noticed a few things.

First gluttony doesn't like to be questioned (or quoted) let alone proven wrong. I am not the only one he has gotten his panties in a twist from.

Secondly I read the rules and am not sure what exactly I broke unless it the disrespect Part. Please clarify.

Finally it seems that you keep mostly garters. Do you Cohab them? Is that why you have to feed half of them in totes?

Co habituating is the only legit reason to feed in a separate enclosure.