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SnakeyJay · 01-09-13, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy33

But i am led to understand they are put to sleep , and this seems a nicer way than stuff i am seeing here , like the pillow case or a freezer, etc etc. At the end of the day ,i dont like any of it , not even the way i get them, but if it is instant , i can handle it , and it just seems some people know how to do it right , and some have not a clue. Tracy.

But you own an animal that slowly asphyxiates their prey.. Most of these methods are more humane than that.. I very much doubt a petshop supplier is going to snap necks so the ones your using have probably suffered.

Lankyrob · 01-09-13, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy33

But i am led to understand they are put to sleep , and this seems a nicer way than stuff i am seeing here , like the pillow case or a freezer, etc etc. At the end of the day ,i dont like any of it , not even the way i get them, but if it is instant , i can handle it , and it just seems some people know how to do it right , and some have not a clue. Tracy.

Small time breeders of home breeders that feed off their rats may use cervical dislocation but those that are euthanizing hundreds or thousands of rats are more likely to gas them just due to efficiency.

Tracy33 · 01-09-13, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakey-Jay

But you own an animal that slowly asphyxiates their prey.. Most of these methods are more humane than that.. I very much doubt a petshop supplier is going to snap necks so the ones your using have probably suffered.

How do you mean they have suffered ? I am told they use gas as Rob has said , and even the method on the video would not be so bad if it was done quick , but it is not!!!

Tracy33 · 01-09-13, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Small time breeders of home breeders that feed off their rats may use cervical dislocation but those that are euthanizing hundreds or thousands of rats are more likely to gas them just due to efficiency.

I agree with that Rob , as you say due to the amount of them, which in my eyes is a nicer way. I know snakes do what they do , but i could not take it in to my own hands to kill anything, from getting it wrong , and the animal suffers.

jarich · 01-09-13, 08:12 AM

Though the cervical dislocation method in that video may look like it takes a long time, it is actually very quick and almost entirely painless. The second the dislocation happens, they stop having the ability to feel anything. The legs may still be twitching in that video, but no signals are being sent between the brain and the body at that point.

As for the pillow case method, it could be argued that it is one of the more humane ways. At least in that instance, the animal is probably not really stressed out beforehand as it is in a close, confined area until the moment of death, which is very quick again, if done correctly.

Either way, when owning a snake you must come to terms with the fact that either you, or someone else for you, is breeding an animal for the sole purpose of killing it for the feeding of another animal. While I agree it should be something that happens as quickly and painlessly as possible, it seems like you are simply trying to ignore the nature of that process entirely. Your squeamishness about it seems more like you wanting to pretend it doesnt happen, by making someone else do it where you dont have to be a part of it. (It could be argued that this separation was what paved the way for the torture of domesticated animals in the modern meat industry. But I digress) Morally and philosophically, that is a much worse position than just owning up to the action in a personal way, in my opinion.

Tracy33 · 01-09-13, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jarich

Though the cervical dislocation method in that video may look like it takes a long time, it is actually very quick and almost entirely painless. The second the dislocation happens, they stop having the ability to feel anything. The legs may still be twitching in that video, but no signals are being sent between the brain and the body at that point.

As for the pillow case method, it could be argued that it is one of the more humane ways. At least in that instance, the animal is probably not really stressed out beforehand as it is in a close, confined area until the moment of death, which is very quick again, if done correctly.

Either way, when owning a snake you must come to terms with the fact that either you, or someone else for you, is breeding an animal for the sole purpose of killing it for the feeding of another animal. While I agree it should be something that happens as quickly and painlessly as possible, it seems like you are simply trying to ignore the nature of that process entirely. Your squeamishness about it seems more like you wanting to pretend it doesnt happen, by making someone else do it where you dont have to be a part of it. (It could be argued that this separation was what paved the way for the torture of domesticated animals in the modern meat industry. But I digress) Morally and philosophically, that is a much worse position than just owning up to the action in a personal way, in my opinion.

I realise what you are saying over all about nature, i do not ignore any of it ( i wish i could ) , but even the cerrvica dislocation method , the animal is under stress when the blade is placed, and then it is slowly streched, would anyone like that done to them !!! As for the pillow case method, as you say "if it is done correctly" which sometimes i am sure it is not. Yes i do take it personal, and i believe gas is best. I think if people own snakes for pets like you and i , that than we are people who surely respect life , i would have thought ,in any form , and that is my argument ! Tracy.

Lankyrob · 01-09-13, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy33

I realise what you are saying over all about nature, i do not ignore any of it ( i wish i could ) , but even the cerrvica dislocation method , the animal is under stress when the blade is placed, and then it is slowly streched, would anyone like that done to them !!! As for the pillow case method, as you say "if it is done correctly" which sometimes i am sure it is not. Yes i do take it personal, and i believe gas is best. I think if people own snakes for pets like you and i , that than we are people who surely respect life , i would have thought ,in any form , and that is my argument ! Tracy.

We all respect all animal life which is why we kill our prey items quickly. The cervical dislocation isnt done slowly, at least not when i have done it, i think they may have slowed things down for the video.

At the end of the day we keep carnivorous animals and they have to eat, i am also a carnivore and have to eat. I know that my food is killed humanely and i know that my snakes' food is killed humanely also.

If this isnt enough then i would become vegan but i loves me a juicy steak

dinosaurdammit · 01-09-13, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy33

I realise what you are saying over all about nature, i do not ignore any of it ( i wish i could ) , but even the cerrvica dislocation method , the animal is under stress when the blade is placed, and then it is slowly streched, would anyone like that done to them !!! As for the pillow case method, as you say "if it is done correctly" which sometimes i am sure it is not. Yes i do take it personal, and i believe gas is best. I think if people own snakes for pets like you and i , that than we are people who surely respect life , i would have thought ,in any form , and that is my argument ! Tracy.

Its not slow. Its a delibrate pull. There is no blade either, its just a metal bar to pin the head. Gassing from what Ive seen is worse. They look for air and struggle before finally being choked todeath. With CD their brain is unpluged. Pulling out their spine is WAY quicker than the gas. If you really want no pain in gasses use CO, carbon MONOxcide. Othersies your co2 can cause:

flushed skin
full pulse
tachypnea
dyspnea
extrasystoles
muscle twitches
hand flaps
reduced neural activity
raised blood pressure
headache
confusion
lethargy
increased cardiac output
elevation in arterial blood pressure
arrhythmias
disorientation
panic
hyperventilation
convulsions
unconsciousness
and eventually death

sometimes they linger. Unplugging happens in an instant. They also watch all their rat friends die. This adds stress of mass gassing

SnakeyJay · 01-09-13, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy33

How do you mean they have suffered ? I am told they use gas as Rob has said , and even the method on the video would not be so bad if it was done quick , but it is not!!!

Gas isn't painless..... It's just like suffocating if they're not knocked out with a lower amount of gas first.

**Aaron_S** · 01-09-13, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Its not slow. Its a delibrate pull. There is no blade either, its just a metal bar to pin the head. Gassing from what Ive seen is worse. They look for air and struggle before finally being choked todeath. With CD their brain is unpluged. Pulling out their spine is WAY quicker than the gas. If you really want no pain in gasses use CO, carbon MONOxcide. Othersies your co2 can cause:

flushed skin
full pulse
tachypnea
dyspnea
extrasystoles
muscle twitches
hand flaps
reduced neural activity
raised blood pressure
headache
confusion
lethargy
increased cardiac output
elevation in arterial blood pressure
arrhythmias
disorientation
panic
hyperventilation
convulsions
unconsciousness
and eventually death

sometimes they linger. Unplugging happens in an instant. They also watch all their rat friends die. This adds stress of mass gassing

Yeaaahhh....I'm still not doing that for dozens of rodents. My stomach gets sick after about 12 from actual experience.

Either way, whatever works for you.

dinosaurdammit · 01-09-13, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Yeaaahhh....I'm still not doing that for dozens of rodents. My stomach gets sick after about 12 from actual experience.

Either way, whatever works for you.

I have grown rather fond of the sound. Idk why but its a unique POP

Tracy33 · 01-09-13, 12:32 PM

Ok all , if the killing of these animals are done quick, i can handle it, as Rob had said we as humans eat meat, we do what we have to do . Its just that some people find that its a joke, at the cost of animals lifes , and thats what gets me. Some people tell me that people who own snakes are weird, because they like to watch their snake eat live prey, of course that is another story. Tracy.

SnakeyJay · 01-09-13, 01:08 PM

I think your taking things to heart. Would you rather people do what they have to do with a depressed look on their face, or have a laugh about it to lighten the mood.. Either way it's got to be done to keep these animals so may as well do it with a smile in my opinion.

Lankyrob · 01-09-13, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakey-Jay

I think your taking things to heart. Would you rather people do what they have to do with a depressed look on their face, or have a laugh about it to lighten the mood.. Either way it's got to be done to keep these animals so may as well do it with a smile in my opinion.

As long as the prey item isnt suffering in the process. There is a big difference in doing it with a smile quickly and painlessly and those sad ****ers on youtube who taunt live prey and make it suffer for their entertainment

(i honestly dont think ANYONE on this site falls into the second category)

Tracy33 · 01-09-13, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

As long as the prey item isnt suffering in the process. There is a big difference in doing it with a smile quickly and painlessly and those sad ****ers on youtube who taunt live prey and make it suffer for their entertainment

(i honestly dont think ANYONE on this site falls into the second category)

Exactly , those are the people i am talking about Rob.