What to get? - Page 4

Corey209 · 12-17-12, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

My suggestion that it seems like a bad idea is based on the fact that snakes sometimes soak when they're in shed, and if you allow it to get "cold," then when they go to use it, it's going to lower their body temps, even if they don't need to be lowered.

Why exactly would a snake soak when it's "irritated"?

~Maggot

If the skin is irritated like with mites or burns and that's true, I'll readjust my cage tomorrow. Even if it isn't bad for the dish to be on the cold side it wouldn't hurt to have it on the warmer side so that by chance the snakes temps don't drop.

KORBIN5895 · 12-17-12, 01:34 AM

Water isn't a magical element that will miraculously be lower then the ambient temps. If you raised your hot end temps then your cool end temps would've also raised. Again your water is going to be roughly what your ambient temps are in the cool end because that's where you have it.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Water isn't a magical element that will miraculously be lower then the ambient temps. If you raised your hot end temps then your cool end temps would've also raised. Again your water is going to be roughly what your ambient temps are in the cool end because that's where you have it.

Can you verify or negate my suggestion that snakes don't generally/need to soak to cool off and that cool/cold water would be less ideal than water kept warmer?

~Maggot

Corey209 · 12-17-12, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Water isn't a magical element that will miraculously be lower then the ambient temps. If you raised your hot end temps then your cool end temps would've also raised. Again your water is going to be roughly what your ambient temps are in the cool end because that's where you have it.

My cool end was around 85, for a snake with RI I would assume that's a bit low. Either way the mites could have easily stressed out the snake making his RI worse so it could be either or.

KORBIN5895 · 12-17-12, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

Can you verify or negate my suggestion that snakes don't generally/need to soak to cool off and that cool/cold water would be less ideal than water kept warmer?

~Maggot

The only time I have heard of a snake soaking to cool off is when the temps are way too high. As with any heat exchange there is lost energy so the water will be a degree or two cooler.

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Originally Posted by Corey209

My cool end was around 85, for a snake with RI I would assume that's a bit low. Either way the mites could have easily stressed out the snake making his RI worse so it could be either or.

85°f seems a bit high for a cool end temp.

Corey209 · 12-17-12, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

The only time I have heard of a snake soaking to cool off is when the temps are way too high. As with any heat exchange there is lost energy so the water will be a degree or two cooler.

85°f seems a bit high for a cool end temp.

Temps were hard to manage in a 40g, I had the hot side at 90 while basking was 95 and the cold side was 85 so I was happy with that since there's not a whole lot I can do with a glass tank.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

Temps were hard to manage in a 40g, I had the hot side at 90 while basking was 95 and the cold side was 85 so I was happy with that since there's not a whole lot I can do with a glass tank.

How are temps hard to manage in a 40 gallon? I have a 20 gallon and keep the hot side in the low 90's and the cool side can easily stay at mid 70's.

And how on earth was your water cold when the ambient temp was 85?

~Maggot

Wildside · 12-17-12, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

i dont think reptiles magically get mites.

I must respectfully disagree. Sometimes I think aliens abduct them and put mites on them for teh lulz.

KORBIN5895 · 12-17-12, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

How are temps hard to manage in a 40 gallon? I have a 20 gallon and keep the hot side in the low 90's and the cool side can easily stay at mid 70's.

And how on earth was your water cold when the ambient temp was 85?

~Maggot

You are fighting against the wind. You and I know what your saying makes sense but he won't get it.

EmbraceCalamity · 12-17-12, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

You are fighting against the wind. You and I know what your saying makes sense but he won't get it.

I'm not saying he's the worst owner ever and should never care for another herp, but what he's saying simply doesn't make sense. At all.

~Maggot

dinosaurdammit · 12-17-12, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

I must respectfully disagree. Sometimes I think aliens abduct them and put mites on them for teh lulz.

Makes me think back to high school when we learned that people in the dark ages would believe that a pile of clothes in the corner would magically and spontaneously generate a rat or two. That rats that carried the plague were magically not there and then POOF there they were.

Wildside · 12-17-12, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Makes me think back to high school when we learned that people in the dark ages would believe that a pile of clothes in the corner would magically and spontaneously generate a rat or two. That rats that carried the plague were magically not there and then POOF there they were.

So how do snakes that are kept in clean cages, and on newspaper, and with the same owner for well over a year, spontaneously generate mites?

dinosaurdammit · 12-17-12, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

So how do snakes that are kept in clean cages, and on newspaper, and with the same owner for well over a year, spontaneously generate mites?

Ancient Aliens!

on a serious note maybe its coming in on the bedding or even the mites could have been hibernating or what ever it is mites do. I havnt had an issue with mites but once and its when I got jerry rice. He was infested. Some PAM and daily soaks in warm water and a little bit of mineral oil did the trick. I still treat his and athena's cage once a month just in case of aliens. I wonder if you could just pick them up walking into a reptile shop or brushing against stuff in there. I dont know mite life cycle but it wouldnt surprise me if they could lay eggs that stay dormant until ideal conditions are met. I bake all my bedding, treat with PAM, and make sure all food given has had at least a month in the deep freeze. Call me paranoid but i havnt had magical mites since.

CMRetics · 12-17-12, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

I must respectfully disagree. Sometimes I think aliens abduct them and put mites on them for teh lulz.

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Originally Posted by Wildside

So how do snakes that are kept in clean cages, and on newspaper, and with the same owner for well over a year, spontaneously generate mites?

I have no clue. I've had this group of retics breeding/eating/acting 100% fine. I've used the same caging, nix now and then, and I use newspaper as bedding. Randomly a wild mite appears.

It's baffling where these bastards come from LOL

Wildside · 12-17-12, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CMRetics

I have no clue. I've had this group of retics breeding/eating/acting 100% fine. I've used the same caging, nix now and then, and I use newspaper as bedding. Randomly a wild mite appears.

It's baffling where these bastards come from LOL

Aliens... I'm tellin' ya!