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[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Corey209

That was just my assumption like I had already said, his RI was getting better he got mites soaked in cold water then his RI had gotten worse.

Yeah, and you passed your assumption off as fact. You're guessing. You failed.

Anyway, you don't have the animal anymore. Let's hope the ball python fares better.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by Corey209

That was just my assumption like I had already said, his RI was getting better he got mites soaked in cold water then his RI had gotten worse.

I'm not gonna say anything about the RI 'cause I don't know, but I have a possibly really stupid question: How was the water cold? I mean, wouldn't the enclosure be warm enough that the water wouldn't be cold?

~Maggot

[CMRetics]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I doubt she does.

Ego check please. You don't know more than every vet, you don't know this vet, so lets kick that before it starts. Internet diagnoses are pretty humorous. doctor. LOL

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I've never heard of water somehow making an RI worse. I want to know where you get your information instead of just assuming things.

You know nothing about RI's. Did you get a culture done to see if it was bacterial or viral? Did you then get medication that was specific to that?

You're wrong about RI's. They can and DO go away. You're making excuses for your shoddy keeping.

You're sitting here telling people about RI, but then you list cultures done for 2 types of RI. If you knew so much you would have suggested fungal as well. Careful before attacking someone on their lack of RI knowledge.

Originally Posted by Corey209

The snake was almost completely good after one month of heat and humidity. He had a little mucus in his mouth but RI never fully clears up it always leaves the snake at a higher risk of getting it again (I'm not arguing about this, talk to a reptile specialist...). So I think which I am assuming is that when he got the mites he stressed out which does weaken the immune system and he was soaking in his water dish which could have easily cooled his temps down a lot making his RI worse. The ex-vet I know did work with reptiles by the way.

Mites + cold water will make an R.I. worse, especially if it hasn't cleared up fully, it's very easy to regress. If it's a viral RI you're pretty much stuck and every little thing can bring it back on, if it's a really set in bacterial one- antibiotics are sometimes needed to help finish it off, or else it will stick around.

Next time, move him into a small shoebox style container with paper towel as bedding, heat the whole box up, keep humidity high and treat the mites, but deny him a tub big enough to soak in. He's soaking to get rid of mites, which you can kill easily, if he's soaking after that, his humidity is too low.

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'm not gonna say anything about the RI 'cause I don't know, but I have a possibly really stupid question: How was the water cold? I mean, wouldn't the enclosure be warm enough that the water wouldn't be cold?

~Maggot

Water is naturally cooler than air, and if placed away from the heating element, its easy for it to be too cold.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Ego check please. You don't know more than every vet, you don't know this vet, so lets kick that before it starts. Internet diagnoses are pretty humorous. doctor. LOL


You're sitting here telling people about RI, but then you list cultures done for 2 types of RI. If you knew so much you would have suggested fungal as well. Careful before attacking someone on their lack of RI knowledge.


Mites + cold water will make an R.I. worse, especially if it hasn't cleared up fully, it's very easy to regress. If it's a viral RI you're pretty much stuck and every little thing can bring it back on, if it's a really set in bacterial one- antibiotics are sometimes needed to help finish it off, or else it will stick around.

Next time, move him into a small shoebox style container with paper towel as bedding, heat the whole box up, keep humidity high and treat the mites, but deny him a tub big enough to soak in. He's soaking to get rid of mites, which you can kill easily, if he's soaking after that, his humidity is too low.




Water is naturally cooler than air, and if placed away from the heating element, its easy for it to be too cold.

Yay! ******** is back!

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Ego check please. You don't know more than every vet, you don't know this vet, so lets kick that before it starts. Internet diagnoses are pretty humorous. doctor. LOL


You're sitting here telling people about RI, but then you list cultures done for 2 types of RI. If you knew so much you would have suggested fungal as well. Careful before attacking someone on their lack of RI knowledge.


Mites + cold water will make an R.I. worse, especially if it hasn't cleared up fully, it's very easy to regress. If it's a viral RI you're pretty much stuck and every little thing can bring it back on, if it's a really set in bacterial one- antibiotics are sometimes needed to help finish it off, or else it will stick around.

Next time, move him into a small shoebox style container with paper towel as bedding, heat the whole box up, keep humidity high and treat the mites, but deny him a tub big enough to soak in. He's soaking to get rid of mites, which you can kill easily, if he's soaking after that, his humidity is too low.




Water is naturally cooler than air, and if placed away from the heating element, its easy for it to be too cold.

Thanks for the advice man, and yeah I assumed that's what caused the RI to get worse, but everyone here seems to think I'm an idiot for assuming so.. And for people to say that water wouldn't be cold is ridiculous.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Corey209

Thanks for the advice man, and yeah I assumed that's what caused the RI to get worse, but everyone here seems to think I'm an idiot for assuming so.. And for people to say that water wouldn't be cold is ridiculous.

The water should be close to whatever your ambient air temperature. It's all about thermal exchange. Have you ever heard of something being at room temperature?

[CMRetics]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

The water should be close to whatever your ambient air temperature. It's all about thermal exchange. Have you ever heard of something being at room temperature?

Depends an extreme amount on where he has the water dish on the temp gradient, and where it is in proximity to the heat element. Moving the dish from 1 side to another can change the temperature more than you would think.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Depends an extreme amount on where he has the water dish on the temp gradient, and where it is in proximity to the heat element. Moving the dish from 1 side to another can change the temperature more than you would think.

I don't think anyone's arguing that it won't have an effect, but even if the dish was on the cool side (which seems like a bad idea in and of itself), it still should only be room temperature, not "cold."

~Maggot

[CMRetics]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I don't think anyone's arguing that it won't have an effect, but even if the dish was on the cool side (which seems like a bad idea in and of itself), it still should only be room temperature, not "cold."

~Maggot

Cold for us, and cold for a snake is a lot different. Especially if the animal is stressed/recovering, even a few degrees will make the water too cold.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Cold for us, and cold for a snake is a lot different. Especially if the animal is stressed/recovering, even a few degrees will make the water too cold.

I don't doubt that the water was cooler than it should have been (though would it have made a difference?), but I don't know of anyone who would call room temp water "cold." And it seems strange that someone who is aware enough of the water temperature needs of reptiles to call room temp water "cold" because it would be to a snake would make the mistake to put it somewhere in the enclosure that would allow it to be so, thus the explanation that the water simply was cold for some reason appears more likely than an altered vocabulary and contradictory actions that don't reflect this level of understanding.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I don't doubt that the water was cooler than it should have been (though would it have made a difference?), but I don't know of anyone who would call room temp water "cold." And it seems strange that someone who is aware enough of the water temperature needs of reptiles to call room temp water "cold" because it would be to a snake would make the mistake to put it somewhere in the enclosure that would allow it to be so, thus the explanation that the water simply was cold for some reason appears more likely than an altered vocabulary and contradictory actions that don't reflect this level of understanding.

~Maggot

I keep the dish more on the cool side because I'm assuming it'd be good for the snake when he wants to cool off. The snake isn't going to soak unless he wants to cool off or is irritated anyways so I don't see why it would be a bad idea.

[iBaman]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Yay! ******** is back!

Ugh, don't let these guys get to you, CM. Though if i may say, Wayne...why doesn't Korbin get a warning for using the word Douche like I did? and he uses it constantly. I don't care if it's blurred out, it's the principal...

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by Corey209

I keep the dish more on the cool side because I'm assuming it'd be good for the snake when he wants to cool off. The snake isn't going to soak unless he wants to cool off or is irritated anyways so I don't see why it would be a bad idea.

I'm no snake expert, so someone else here can verify or negate this, but I don't believe snakes soak to cool off - literally or figuratively. I'm pretty sure they do it for moisture needs, hence them doing it when they're shedding. Snakes can thermoregulate just fine without a dish of water. And you said so yourself that it could have cooled his temps and made him sicker, so why you're confused about it being a bad idea is a mystery to me. To my mind, it would make much more sense to keep the water in the moderate temperatures so that the snake could use the water without it raising or lowering its body temperature too much, especially if you know it's sick.

Originally Posted by iBaman

Ugh, don't let these guys get to you, CM. Though if i may say, Wayne...why doesn't Korbin get a warning for using the word Douche like I did? and he uses it constantly. I don't care if it's blurred out, it's the principal...

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said.

~Maggot

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'm no snake expert, so someone else here can verify or negate this, but I don't believe snakes soak to cool off - literally or figuratively. I'm pretty sure they do it for moisture needs, hence them doing it when they're shedding. Snakes can thermoregulate just fine without a dish of water. And you said so yourself that it could have cooled his temps and made him sicker, so why you're confused about it being a bad idea is a mystery to me. To my mind, it would make much more sense to keep the water in the moderate temperatures so that the snake could use the water without it raising or lowering its body temperature too much, especially if you know it's sick.I'm pretty sure that's not what he said.

~Maggot

I don't think it's a bad idea for a healthy snake. I didn't think about the water dish being on the cool side at the time while my snake had RI which in that case was a bad idea but could have been avoided completely. If it is true they don't use the dishes to cool off then I will make sure to move it into the warmer side.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by Corey209

I don't think it's a bad idea for a healthy snake. I didn't think about the water dish being on the cool side at the time while my snake had RI which in that case was a bad idea but could have been avoided completely. If it is true they don't use the dishes to cool off then I will make sure to move it into the warmer side.

My suggestion that it seems like a bad idea is based on the fact that snakes sometimes soak when they're in shed, and if you allow it to get "cold," then when they go to use it, it's going to lower their body temps, even if they don't need to be lowered.

Why exactly would a snake soak when it's "irritated"?

~Maggot