Het albino retic question - Page 2

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I read this and my brain exploded. One day I want someone to sit down with me, and explain it to me like I am an idiot because I cannot understand genetics but I find it so interesting

Clark strain and Anthrax/Graniteback/Shatterback are the only ones in retics that are currently confusing as hell. The only other one with a big question mark is "will there be a super motley?".

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Think you could find some pics of it? I don't think I've ever seen it now that I think about it. That said, he did say I'm welcome to check out his facility if I'm ever in his area (about 7 hours drive)

Is this after or before his fire?

If he had his old site still up there were pics with the articles. Find the original articles and I'm sure they'd be in there. NEVERMIND, there's a video of it LOL...

Link.... Bob Clark - Instructional Videos

The article doesn't have one but it does state that that male is under 10 foot still. Was imported in the 9 foot mark.

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:05 AM

What about before or after the fire? I just spoke with him two weeks ago when I asked.

Thanks, still looking for a link. Will a FB discussion thread suffice? Most of the retic discussion that I'm a part of takes place there and the accompanying forum isn't exactly active.

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

What about before or after the fire? I just spoke with him two weeks ago when I asked.

Thanks, still looking for a link. Will a FB discussion thread suffice? Most of the retic discussion that I'm a part of takes place there and the accompanying forum isn't exactly active.

As long as I don't have join any groups.

I wasn't sure if he was operational yet or not.

YOU'RE WELCOME for the detective work of the original albino for you lol

**lady_bug87** · 11-24-12, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Clark strain and Anthrax/Graniteback/Shatterback are the only ones in retics that are currently confusing as hell. The only other one with a big question mark is "will there be a super motley?".

..... ok.
You know I am super bad with this so I am going to smile and nod now

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:11 AM

I don't think you do to see posts, lol.
As far as I know he's opperational, I do know he had two facilities at the time of the fire and had a lot of his younger animals survive.
I requested pics of the original albino, you requested further citations, even trade isn't it?

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

..... ok.
You know I am super bad with this so I am going to smile and nod now

What do you want to know? I'll do my best to help.

**lady_bug87** · 11-24-12, 11:15 AM

Ohh its a disaster I cant wrap my head around any of it. not Ball Python genetics, not Boa genetics, not anything

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:17 AM

Best I can do for now, I'll get you the FB link this afternoon, gotta run.

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Best I can do for now, I'll get you the FB link this afternoon, gotta run.

I can't even read that. Thanks for not much.

**millertime89** · 11-26-12, 03:50 PM

well you don't want to join a forum... I'll host it tonight on photobucket.

I JUST found the FB link. 651 posts, have fun.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1130...3053560792582/

Here's when I asked. I generally trust Paul, but I'm not sure if I agree with him this time.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1130...tal_comments=8

reptileexperts · 11-26-12, 04:37 PM

From a genetic standpoint it makes sense that you would get all three phases by breeding a lavender to labender. However, breeding a lavender to a het brings up a different question as to what you get. From my general assumptions on how this works, lets do some basic genetics to assign stuff and help break it down. Purple = PP, White = WW, Lavander = PW. Therefor simple mendalion principle alone tells us the rest.

PP x PP = all purple
PW X PW = All three
PP x PW = Purples and Lavs
WW x PP = All Lavs
PW x WW = Whites and Lavs...

However, unless bob hit the amazing gold mine with a trisomy albino from the wild containing 3 copies of the gene, that would be the only explination of why his result of a het made a difference, but then even one of the hets he bred to would have to somehow be a non-visual double carrier for that to work!?

Oh well, if you have a question how I got the stuff above just ask. Genetics need not be difficult!

**millertime89** · 11-26-12, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

However, unless bob hit the amazing gold mine with a trisomy albino from the wild containing 3 copies of the gene, that would be the only explination of why his result of a het made a difference, but then even one of the hets he bred to would have to somehow be a non-visual double carrier for that to work!?

That's why I think its two different compatible genes. Wouldn't be the first time a reticulated python was proven with two different genes. NERD recently proved that their Ghost Stripe morph was two different morphs, Orange Ghost Stripe (OGS) a recessive, and Phantom Stripe, an incomplete dom. For what its worth a Cow Retic is Phantom Stripe het Orange Ghost Stripe. Jay Brewer at PP proved that Anthrax, at least the ones that he got, are two different genes, Anthrax a recessive, and Shatter, a co-dom, but NERD still thinks Graniteback (what Jay is calling Shatter) is the co-dom and Anthrax is the super.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 06:06 AM

From a genetic stand point - any gene that produces a visual result with only ONE copy of the gene present, that gene is said to be dominant. Now, whether or not we go into incomplete dominance vs co-dominant vs simple dominance is a whole different factor. It has been argued that Pied in ball pythons should be considered a co-dominant because you can visually distinguish het pied from normals due to markers. These markers are a visual representation of that gene meaning that it has expression. Recessive genes CAN NOT have expression with just a single copy - Anthrax is not recessive. Granite Back is Shatter and IS Co-Dom based on this theory alone. Titanium is another one that could be considered co-dom, because Citron (het tit) is distinguishable from a normal by itself. Again, a true recessive is something like Albino which does not produce any visual results with one copy of the gene. Make sense?

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

From a genetic stand point - any gene that produces a visual result with only ONE copy of the gene present, that gene is said to be dominant. Now, whether or not we go into incomplete dominance vs co-dominant vs simple dominance is a whole different factor. It has been argued that Pied in ball pythons should be considered a co-dominant because you can visually distinguish het pied from normals due to markers. These markers are a visual representation of that gene meaning that it has expression. Recessive genes CAN NOT have expression with just a single copy - Anthrax is not recessive. Granite Back is Shatter and IS Co-Dom based on this theory alone. Titanium is another one that could be considered co-dom, because Citron (het tit) is distinguishable from a normal by itself. Again, a true recessive is something like Albino which does not produce any visual results with one copy of the gene. Make sense?

From talking to on another forum there is no TRUE co-dom in ball pythons. Pieds don't count because there are a lot of hets without markers. It have to be consistent.

I can't comment on the granite/shatter because I don't know them thoroughly enough. Co-dom is the expression of two genes at once. I get the pied reference but too bad for the people who believe it because it's wrong.