Het albino retic question

Squirtle · 11-23-12, 06:24 PM

So, lets say that I have a Tiger Reticulated Python het for lavender albino, and I breed him with a female Purple Albino Reticulated Python. Will the 'het for lavender albino' be able to produce the 3 types of albino (lav, white phase, and purple) when bred to an animal showing the trait?

**Aaron_S** · 11-23-12, 07:04 PM

Yes. That is how I understand it.

Roughly 50% of the babies shall be albino. 50% shall be het for albino and 50% should be tiger, either albino tigers or het albino tigers.

That's the way the square tells it SHOULD go. Nature has a funny way of changing things sometimes.

Squirtle · 11-23-12, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Yes. That is how I understand it.

Roughly 50% of the babies shall be albino. 50% shall be het for albino and 50% should be tiger, either albino tigers or het albino tigers.

That's the way the square tells it SHOULD go. Nature has a funny way of changing things sometimes.

I don't think you understand what I mean lol.

A regular tiger retic is het for lav albino.. and you breed it with a white phase albino retic.. what will hatch out? they aren't the same kind of albino

**millertime89** · 11-23-12, 10:15 PM

lav x white gets lave and white
het lav x white should get you only white I think. It behaves like white and purple are separate, but compatible genes. Let me double check and I'll get back to you but I'm pretty sure I'm right. A het lav is most likely a double het purple white, or that's kind of how it works, I think. Slightly confusing theories.

**millertime89** · 11-23-12, 10:21 PM

Purple x purple = all purple
purple x lav = purples and lavs
purple x white = all lavs
white x lav = whites and lavs
white x white = all whites
lav x lav = all 3.

Squirtle · 11-23-12, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Purple x purple = all purple
purple x lav = purples and lavs
purple x white = all lavs
white x lav = whites and lavs
white x white = all whites
lav x lav = all 3.

Thank you!

**Aaron_S** · 11-23-12, 10:58 PM

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I don't think you understand what I mean lol.

A regular tiger retic is het for lav albino.. and you breed it with a white phase albino retic.. what will hatch out? they aren't the same kind of albino

Yes I understood your question. You asked if you would produce all three from your pairing. I said yes. I don't get how you think I mistook your question.

Kyle, what's your sources.

Apparently my data from the Bob Clark forums 10 years ago is not current enough. I remember when these first popped up and that they were all compatible and you could get any of the 3 from any of the 3 being paired.

Squirtle · 11-24-12, 12:46 AM

So, lets say the tiger retic might just be a regular tiger bred to a normal purple albino, will the babies come out tigers 100% albino or what? Sorry I'm not too good with genetics lol

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 01:03 AM

The breeders at in the Retic Nation group. It'll either be all whites or whites and lavs according to them.. Dunno if there really is such a thing as a het lav. There's still discussion going on about this. I know the above breedings are correct, I'm just not sure how the hets work.
They are all compatible, but the results vary. Its hard to tell a very dark lav from a very light purple so sometimes things get screwed up. Some people agree with what I said above, some don't. I side with what I have said as do some other really prominent breeders, I'm just not going to go through a 600 post thread to figure out who sides with who.

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtle

So, lets say the tiger retic might just be a regular tiger bred to a normal purple albino, will the babies come out tigers 100% albino or what? Sorry I'm not too good with genetics lol

I would say Tiger 100% het purple, some will just call it 100% het Clark strain albino. A friend of mine did het purple to het purple and all of his visuals were purples, he's not the only one to get those results and he's repeating that breeding again this year so we'll see if it holds true I guess.

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtle

So, lets say the tiger retic might just be a regular tiger bred to a normal purple albino, will the babies come out tigers 100% albino or what? Sorry I'm not too good with genetics lol

It's a tiger het Albino Type 1(lav, white,purple). That's if memory serves correct.

I don't care who sides with who, just link me it in PM as that's a different topic, sort of.

So you're passing on information that is debated currently as factual?

The part I don't understand is that Bob Clark's original albino male when bred back to his het daughters produced ALL three lav, white, purple in the SAME clutches. So how does that not continue on?

Unless, through selective breeding, people have removed a certain gene from some of them. It would still hold true though that you could end up with a grab bag of retic albinos since it's only been roughly a decade of "serious" retic breeding on the large scale like ball pythons.

Here is Bob Clark's article on his first albino breedings. 13 years ago. Still a solid article.

Bob Clark - Articles

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 10:37 AM

I'll get back to you on the link Aaron, I'll have to dig through forums as the most recent discussions have taken place in a FB group.
I almost think that white and purple are two separate genes that are compatible with each other and people are getting a bunch of purple ph whites and whites ph purples which prove out when bred with others, but I don't think there's really any way to confirm that.

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 10:43 AM

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I'll get back to you on the link Aaron, I'll have to dig through forums as the most recent discussions have taken place in a FB group.
I almost think that white and purple are two separate genes that are compatible with each other and people are getting a bunch of purple ph whites and whites ph purples which prove out when bred with others, but I don't think there's really any way to confirm that.

Could be possible. Genetics testing is the only way.

Since it seems that Bob Clark's import albino male seem to exhibit traits of each snake almost. Weird.

Ah well, some of the coolest albinos there are.

**lady_bug87** · 11-24-12, 10:49 AM

I read this and my brain exploded. One day I want someone to sit down with me, and explain it to me like I am an idiot because I cannot understand genetics but I find it so interesting

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Could be possible. Genetics testing is the only way.

Since it seems that Bob Clark's import albino male seem to exhibit traits of each snake almost. Weird.

Ah well, some of the coolest albinos there are.

Think you could find some pics of it? I don't think I've ever seen it now that I think about it. That said, he did say I'm welcome to check out his facility if I'm ever in his area (about 7 hours drive)