Neurological issues poll - Page 2

shaunyboy · 05-09-12, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mykee

I respect my animals; they are fed the best quality food, cleaned daily if necessary, and kept in immaculate conditions. Fresh water daily as well. Breeding a snake (in this case, a spider ball python) is not detrimental in any way to the snake or it's offspring. They eat, poop and breed like any other animal.

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the same can be said for me,regards my carpet pythons

its the jaguar morph that has some neuro issues (5% of jags)

i have no problem regards breeding the jag morph

cheers shaun

mykee · 05-09-12, 12:58 PM

I really am getting sick of all these maroons comparing humans to reptiles.
No offense....

Will0W783 · 05-09-12, 01:21 PM

There are certain genetic morphs in snakes that will ALWAYS have some degree of neurological deficit. The spider ball python and all combos of the morph, and the jaguar gene in the carpet python are just a few examples. I have had jags and a spider ball python, and they were healthy and ate well. They got a bit wobbly when excited (i.e. when food was around), but were otherwise healthy. I had intended to breed them, but they both were sold when I downsized the collection.

I think that in cases of these morphs, breeders have to look at the overall condition of the animal- as far as I know the neurological condition is not completely heritable; a wobble-free snake can have severely affected offspring, and a severely wobbly snake can produce normal babies. I think that we as breeders must be careful and responsible when creating new morphs to lessen the risk and impact of potential deficits.

Skumbo · 05-09-12, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

I did not intend to offend, Mykee.

Let me ask you (all of you) this.

If you had a child with, say, autism, (just an example) and you knew you were the carrier of that gene. Lets say you also know, for certain, that if you fathered an additional children they would also be autistic. They eat, they poop, you keep your home immaculate, but you carry the gene. Would you continue to have children?

Personally? No, I probably wouldnt.

But then again everyone is different. My older brother has a "mild" case of autism. I'm glad my parents decided to have more kids, I don't have it at all, but wouldn't blame them if they didnt.

That said, I was thinking severe neurological issues, not ones associated with say, spider morphs. I was thinking more along the lines of debilitating issues.

Lankyrob · 05-09-12, 02:16 PM

I think that most breeders that had a hatchling with debilitating issues would cull it rather than let it live anyways so the issues of whether to breed it would be moot

StudentoReptile · 05-09-12, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I think that most breeders that had a hatchling with debilitating issues would cull it rather than let it live anyways so the issues of whether to breed it would be moot

That's what kingsnakes, monitors, and pacman frogs are for!

infernalis · 05-09-12, 02:25 PM

I have neurological problems, but I already bred...

mykee · 05-09-12, 02:32 PM

Lol!!!!!...

Skits · 05-09-12, 02:36 PM

None of my snakes have any problems, and I don't breed my snakes either...but if I was breeding and did have a snake with neurological problems, it would depend on the problem. If I seen that my snake was having a hard time, or was stressed because of the issues I would not breed him. But if my snake didn't seem too affected, I would breed. I think it's also more on finding them homes that are willing to work/deal with their problems in case any of the generations were to be affected.

Gungirl · 05-09-12, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

I have neurological problems, but I already bred...

Wayne.. for that comment you get a dozen cookies...

exwizard · 05-09-12, 04:37 PM

None of my snakes have any neuro issue and since breeding is secondary to me, none of my snakes have to breed. I dont think I would ever breed a snake with a neuro issue.

We have had a few rats with neuro issues and those we fed off right away. That way it doesnt get into our gene pool.

mykee · 05-09-12, 04:44 PM

Feeders I feel are a completely different deal than pet reptiles. Feeders have a definite expiration date, where pet reptiles do not. I agree though, I cull all feeders or breeders who have issues.

shaunyboy · 05-09-12, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

There are certain genetic morphs in snakes that will ALWAYS have some degree of neurological deficit. The spider ball python and all combos of the morph, and the jaguar gene in the carpet python are just a few examples. I have had jags and a spider ball python, and they were healthy and ate well. They got a bit wobbly when excited (i.e. when food was around), but were otherwise healthy. I had intended to breed them, but they both were sold when I downsized the collection.

I think that in cases of these morphs, breeders have to look at the overall condition of the animal- as far as I know the neurological condition is not completely heritable; a wobble-free snake can have severely affected offspring, and a severely wobbly snake can produce normal babies. I think that we as breeders must be careful and responsible when creating new morphs to lessen the risk and impact of potential deficits.

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Kimberly,the ONLY part of your post i disagree with is.....

not all jags have nuro issues

cheers shaun

shaunyboy · 05-09-12, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mykee

I really am getting sick of all these maroons comparing humans to reptiles.
No offense....

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i agree 100% mate

it's rediculous compairing humans to reptiles,or bringing children into it to try and proove a point,it's not like we cull people with issues,

so is bringing mammels into it,liike when people compair,inbreeding in dogs,to line breeding with snakes

no offence mean't here either

cheers shaun

red ink · 05-09-12, 05:51 PM

Is this poll for all snake species or those of us the keep snake morphs that are known to breakdance when exited?

I have neither of the "known" wobbly morphs in my collection so I don't know if my vote of no would be valid (haven't voted yet so as not to interfere with the statistal results just in case)?