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03-20-12, 09:12 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
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Originally Posted by GarterPython
I don't know. HMMMMMM. I hope someone else will get in on this! I think that bigger is better even with ball pythons. What is your reasoning behide thinking that ball pythons its not better?
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with ball pythons, they are very very shy, seclusive animals, they like tight, small places, and dont like any "confrontational" if you will, and BP will be happy when they are in a nice tight tub rather than a huge open tub...
my babies are in 6qt tubs, with no hides, since they are in a rack that is dark...
my adults are/will be in 41qt tubs, again no hides... i feel ALOT of breeders feel this way, and also keepers, just since BP are seclusive animals. and they dont like open spaces.
and again, i could be wrong, but i feel with BP smaller is better...
maybe with BRB, RTB, even maybe retic burms, or garters bigger is fine.
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I was told that they will be calmer in a smaller space as babies. Because even like a 10g tank would be too big and therefore stressful...
But since you say bigger is better, and assuming that humidity is not a problem for me (other than that I have a hard time keeping it below 60% for my milk snake...), could I just put him straight in the 20g? I would put plants and a lot of hides in to make it not seem big for him. I'm a little afraid that the humidity will be way too high in a tub. The humidity outside is pretty much always between 70% and 85%, so I've been having the opposity issues with humidity. o.O
I also have a 5(ish) gal breeder tank... but I don't really like it so I'm gonna be using it as a travel tank for Penelope.
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you could... ... humidity would be a pain to keep up in a big 20 gallon high, but with that much space, you could do a humid hide in the tank... OR instead of using the screen top...
take a piece of plexi glass and get it cut to fit on top of the tank, that will keep humidity in, just make sure to put holes in the plexi... this of course if you use a UTH, if you use a dome type lighting fixture, just cut the plexi to 2/3 the size of the tank, to leave room for the fixture to sit ... you dont want the light to sit over the plexi....
i would also reccommend to use cypress multch or eco earth, eco earth will just suck if you feed in tank, witch is fine, just use a plate to put the food on.
so a tank will be fine, jsut make a few mods to help with humidity.
also, some vines, and decor will help too.
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03-20-12, 09:16 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
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Originally Posted by GarterPython
The only thing I would worry about having a bigger tank would be keeping the humidity. Other than that I think you should be good with the 20 gallon.
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I won't know for sure until I get a more legit hygro, but so far my problem is keeping the humidity down for Penelope. I had to buy a stronger heat lamp yesterday so I finally got it down to 60%, but before it was between 70 and 80% in there. And that's the same tank he'll go in. I'm getting Penelope a 20g long since it's more appropriate for her. But I've had her for a week and a half now, and my concern has been it being too high for her since milksnakes prefer moderate humidity.
I mean, I'll know for sure when I get a different hygro. I just got a cheap Petco one to get a rough estimate for now. But yeah... I just got it under 70% finally yesterday...
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03-20-12, 09:17 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
as long as you check, and check... and check again.... then fix what needs to be fixed you will be fine!
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03-20-12, 09:30 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
Alright, I'm going to take pictures of the hygro as soon as I get home lol. Am I seriously the only one who's issue is humidity being too high? Haha
But yeah I can't speak for him, but I'd like it better if I could just put him in the 20g right away. I'm pretty stoked on decorating it and making it look awesome and fun for him. Hopefully he'll appreciate my efforts lol.
But I do plan on handling him regularly. He wasn't at all nippy when I held him at the store. Neither were his 2 siblings. But I don't wanna stick him in a giant tank if it's going to make him hate me... or become nippy.
After he settles in, I plan on handling him pretty much every day for a bit because he's not going to be just a display snake. Please tell me if that's bad, or what a better idea would be, but I want him to be as tame as possible from the beginning, and I would probably die if I wasn't able to hold him.
So if BRBs aren't really "handling" snakes, tell me now before I bring him home! I hope this won't be an issue, because my I don't think I could handle hearing that in my current mental state... damn finals... But I was surprised he didn't show any sign of aggression or stress when I held him. I've been hearing that they are nippy as babies.
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03-20-12, 09:31 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
Also, please excuse my typos and leaving words out. I had to finals today, no sleep, and more finals tomorrow and thursday, so i don't even know who I am right now...
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03-20-12, 09:39 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
Id say BRB are meant to be handle long as the snake eating and stuff than hold them as much as you want my dum out of his tub for hours and hours he likes my couch more than his tub I think lol
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03-20-12, 09:40 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
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Id say BRB are meant to be handle long as the snake eating and stuff than hold them as much as you want my dum out of his tub for hours and hours he likes my couch more than his tub I think lol
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Couch potatosnake!
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03-20-12, 09:43 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
Yea lol if I'm laying on the couch he's on my chest and just hangs out he's by far my fav snake besides my nelson but dums are just so cool every one needs a dum
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03-20-12, 09:53 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
i keep mine in a 40 long with acrylic on the top to keep the humidity up and the heat in. mine is not a baby anymore so i think a tub or a 10 gallon would be ok as long as you cover the top with acrylic and get a thermostat on either heat tape or a bulb buts that just me tho. for hides i would use some plastic tupperware ( its cheap and holds humidity well) good luck your little one is really cute!
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03-20-12, 09:54 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
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Yea lol if I'm laying on the couch he's on my chest and just hangs out he's by far my fav snake besides my nelson but dums are just so cool every one needs a dum
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I hope I raise my snakezillas well! Especially the baby since I'll have him from baby
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03-21-12, 01:11 AM
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Re: Help me please! :D
here's how I had my tank set up when Nero was in there.
his tub is the bottom one. I bought some small hides from reptile basics that Nero uses and then made the PVC climbing things myself for cheap. You can see the hides on either corner. I've got the t-state probe between the heat mat and the tub, same as I had it with the tank. I had a screen top for the tank that I just covered in aluminum foil and removed some material in some areas to allow airflow. That white plug is there to fill that hole, he escaped through it once. I drilled it too big.
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03-21-12, 01:55 AM
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Re: Help me please! :D
I was looking into those vines, did he use them? I wanna get it for sure. Those pipe thingys look awesome! I might get crafty over spring break
Thank you for the pics!!!
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03-21-12, 09:23 AM
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Re: Help me please! :D
yup, he used the vines, not all that often though as they're a fairly terrestrial species. But I did catch him up there several times. In that first pic you can see him curled up on the tree actually.
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03-21-12, 03:24 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
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Originally Posted by millertime89
yup, he used the vines, not all that often though as they're a fairly terrestrial species. But I did catch him up there several times. In that first pic you can see him curled up on the tree actually.
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Oh wow... totally didn't notice him.
I can't decide if I'm gonna want to try a tub...
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03-21-12, 03:39 PM
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Re: Help me please! :D
Trollbie, first let me say “congrats” on the new member of the family!!!
A tub is fine to start, but you will eventually need to move to a full viv, something at least three feet by two feet. Babies can and will climb, so a little height is useful. Adults are primarily terrestrial, so it’s not as big a concern. Whatever you pick, make sure it can retain both heat and humidity. Note that it’s far better to have too few vents and holes to start than too many -- it's easy to add, hard to cover up!
If you are going to re-use your milksnake’s cage, be sure to thoroughly clean it beforehand. No sense taking chances, ever.
Fish tanks, by the way, do not make the best vivs for Brazilians. They tend to hold humidity well (provided you fix the top), but retain heat poorly and provide little “I’m hiding” feeling for these secretive snakes.
It is a common myth that baby snakes require small vivs (this is true even for ball pythons). What they need is a place in larger vivs to curl up and hide, something they can wedge up against on multiple sides. Think about it: if babies could not survive in large spaces…why are there wild snakes? ;-) (In other words, GarterPython is right on the mark!!!)
Wal-mart tubs are fine. :-)
For furnishings, you need two crucial items: a water bowl large enough for the baby to fully submerge in, and a hide that can be packed with moss to create a damp “humid” hide. Everything else -- decor, climbing sticks, etc. -- is secondary.
For substrate, there are many good options. As you have only two snakes, something like orchid bark or cypress mulch -- which hold humidity well and are not too expensive -- would work well. Avoid eco earth, which I’ve heard gets everywhere. It’s best to get your substrate from a garden supply store rather than a reptile store.
For heating, do not use heat lamps with Brazilians. One, these snakes do not like light. Two, they dry the air. As baby Brazilians need 90% plus humidity, bulbs create a problem. I prefer undercage heating, which can actually help with humidity: when you spray the substrate over the heat, it promotes evaporation. Regardless, use a good thermostat.
For hygros, I’d recommend a digital unit. The small plastic wheel ones, well, blow chunks. ;-)
For handling, Brazilians are fine with being held, provided you do it right. That means letting him settle in and get feeding before holding him too much; and when you do start holding him, listen to what he tells you. His behavior will clue you into his comfort level.
I hope this helps! Again, congrats!
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