CBOI are we not a community????

[V.aw]

Alot of people seem to jump and say slander for everything. I didnt see any slander in gino's post.. He asked for clarification of what he was told. And how his current situation was relating to the ones hes heard. I didnt see any slander there. If someone runs a business theres very little chance of leaving a positive impression on every single customer. Its business, not everyone is going to love you. I think people on this board need to realise this before jumping to conclusions.

Like my posts about port credit. I didnt even jump to any conclusions, i just said my experiences, and TRIED to change the subject by asking for some positivity instead of all the negative responses, but people like to cut throats on this board it seems. And all i see is that happening again, with this new inquiry board.

You cannot eliminate the arguement aspect from a discussion, not everybody has the same opinions, and with as many users that do post here not everyone will have the same opinion.

So before expecting everyone who posts here (iam not referring to you Jeff, you have legalities to deal with) But to the others who do post here, just any user.. Try to think it through. Everyone seems to think people are personally attacking others, when in reality maybe these things really did happen, and why should they go ignored?

And for the record, Mike Vince has good animals! and iam sure Grant does too, We all love animals, and we all have our experiences not everyone else has gone through!! so stop the stupidity.

[tHeGiNo]

If someone runs a business theres very little chance of leaving a positive impression on every single customer. Its business, not everyone is going to love you. I think people on this board need to realise this before jumping to conclusions.

EXACTLY!!!!

[V.aw]

Oh, just to add. I Think the buyer should be able to make his or her own mistakes based on the opinions people post. If they are all negative, they are negative for a reason. I recall a post about Mice4You ripping people off by Corey Woods. Corey is well respected and iam sure most people will listen to him. I Didn't see slander involved there. But when Gino says something pretty well along the same lines its slander.......

[tHeGiNo]

OMG V.aW thank you, thank you very much. That couldn't be any closer to the truth. I think if anything on this board should be changed it is the bias remarks of so many members. Now, for Beth Wallbank, I appreciate your input but I feel you couldn't be more wrong from the truth.

Honestly people, there is no need for a BOI, not for the small amount of herpers there are in this country. Heck, by word of mouth alone is enough to know the good, the bad, and the ugly on each and every one of us. I have heard enough 'hear say' without the BOI to know who is doing what, and the size of underwear to buy. This community of people is quite close knit, and it seems that if there is a bad apple on the tree, everyone is already aware of it.

Well excuse me for being new into the herp community. Unfortunately I do not know all the big guys like Bob Clark or Corey Woods to tell me who and who isn't reputable. I don't know about you, but I do not have 1200 dollars to throw away. If I am going to spend 1200 dollars I want to make sure my money is going to the right person and someone who will give the quality I am looking for. Also yes we know who the reputable breeders are, Chris Marshell, Corey Woods for example. However what if there are smaller breeders with good reps who will sell the animal for cheeper but with the same quality? Do you understand where I am coming from?

[V.aw]

I Agree and disagree with you Beth.

The BOI is good, but as you said with so little herpers in Canada there is room for improvement, you cannot just pass judgement on your first impression, I even admit to being guilty of that.

I think it's good however, to allow people to make their own assumptions. I feel the BOI shouldn't just be about good posts, it should be about bad ones too. It's up to the business to contact their angry parties, and find out why, in order to improve their ethics. I personally would want the raw truth about why my client was so angry, rather than pleading ignorance and continuing.
it's up too the client wether or not they go back, and its up to the reader to make their decision based on the posts they read. (and the posts would be gone if most of the distributors who had bad remarks made contacted the annoyed parties to see how they could improve their views on them.)

Just my two cents.

[Jamie]

Jeff and Shane, you guys are totally right. I don't understand how people can argue that we NEED a CBOI, it was abused then and will be abused if it is reintroduced and we all know it. It was always "I heard" or "she said" and that goes back to the telephone game where yes the truth does get distorted from one person to the next. Jeff does a great job and I would never argue any of his decisions, he puts in the hours and effort and deals with everyones crap to give us a great friendly site. I am glad Jeff and Shane both came out and told us 1400 members how it really is, in real life Jeff is supporting everything about this site both finacially and running a good canadian site. Seriously it is time to step up as a community and help take some of the workload off these few people like Jeff and Shane and a few others out there...we tend to take free sites (like this one)for granted and I could only imagine how far the couple $$ a month would go if even 25% of us chipped in. Ever since I have been here the site has done nothing but improve and I can't say enough good things about Jeff, Shane and all the Mods and members who make this place what it is. I could only imagine how much work has gone into this community. This thread has opened my eyes and hope it might open some more. Just had to let these guys know they are going a good job...seems they are always defending themselves or taking slack from us...WHY?
Personally Gino when I make a big purchase I don't come on here stating something negative that someone else said. I do MY own research and make MY own conclusion, if you heard something bad with somebody then don't deal with them. But try to make your own conclusion, someone before you could have been one of those people who just can't be pleased or jeliousy could come into play. Talk to mike vince, e-mail him and establish a repore with him and see how things work out...don't come here and air SOMEONE ELSES dirty loundry. The reason your thread was taken out and not coreys it is because Corey got ripped off from the dealer directly and you heard about someone who had a negative expereince. I have heard more bad stuff anout Corey Woods but I think he would be the last person to rip anybody off, he has specific terms and has the right to choose who he deals with...the buyer doesn't have the right to buy a snake off him and then that is followed with a negative post about Mr Woods.

Again this is why we don't have a CBOI and this thread which was about the site is now turning into why the CBOI is gone...a hissy fit. WHO CARES how the law works...Jeff fixed it to PROTECT the site. If you can't handle it go somewhere else...I remeber that last guy who made a big goodbye because we took away his "freedom of speech" but really put that to the test and try to threaten a judge or say "I have a bomb" in a airport. What are you gonna say we have lost our freedom of speach? People have to regulate what is said and I am 100% behind SsnakesS.com and there desicions

Again the thread is not focusing on the good of the site but the furthest thing from it. Keep up the good work

[V.aw]

So the BOI was taken out once, why is it back? It's the same thing with new rules about only stating ONLY positive feedback on breeders. Whats the point?

[tHeGiNo]

Hehe I am glad there are people like you so I can have things to argue about. A good old argue is healthy now and then, gets the mind thinking. Alright well lets see, you said:

Personally Gino when I make a big purchase I don't come on here stating something negative that someone else said. I do MY own research and make MY own conclusion, if you heard something bad with somebody then don't deal with them. But try to make your own conclusion, someone before you could have been one of those people who just can't be pleased or jeliousy could come into play. Talk to mike vince, e-mail him and establish a repore with him and see how things work out...don't come here and air SOMEONE ELSES dirty loundry.

Well sometimes I really really wonder whether people think about what they are typing, or if they just let their fingers press the buttons. Aren't we a community here? What do communities do? WE HELP EACHOTHER. I thought I could come to "this wonderful community where everybody is so nice and helpful" to get a little advice, but apparantly not! I was doing my research. I was researching if he had a good rep or not. However you said it yourself, some people just say negative things directed at an individual for revenge or to spite them, possibly from jealousy. That is why I can here to seek out others opinions. Again think about what you are writing before you write, you contradicted yourself. First you say if I hear something bad about someone, then don't deal with them. Then you say some people say bad things about others due to jealousy. So how fair is it that the breeder looses a customer because someone stated false facts. I was hoping I could come here and weigh out the good and the bad and decifer a decision from there. Also why the hell would I e-mail Vince first, what am I going to say: "Hey there Vince, how is it going. I was wondering whether you had a good reputation or not. I was also wondering if you keep your animals in good condition and if you have ever ripped anyone off" Ya, that makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Also no one is taking the site "for advantage." Please explain how anyone is taking the site for advantage. It is here as an informational resource isnt it? And that is exactly what I was trying to use it for. AGAIN this is getting me real mad so let me say it ONE MORE TIME. EVERYTHING I SAID WAS NOT DIRECTED AT JEFF OR SSNAKESS AT ALL, IT WAS DIRECTED AT THE SUBJECT ITSELF WHATEVER THAT MAY BE!! Please stop focusing on how good of people Jeff and the rest of the staff are at ssnakess, we all know what they are doing for us and the great people they are. Please think of what you are accussing me of, all I was saying in the last post is that it is not fair that ssnakess should be blamed. I just feel if someone conducts in bad business practices, then the actions that follow that are deserved! END OF STORY! Now please, stop this.

[tHeGiNo]

And again, if you would just take the damn time to READ WHAT I SAID you would see I apologized for stating exactly what others have said. I realize what I did wrong and I apologized, however for the 25th time I SAID IT SO PEOPLE COULD CONTRADICT WHAT OTHERS HAD SAID. Dammit, people, seriously. I am not going to write another word on this and I hope it gets closed soon.

[sSNAKESs.com]

Shane! WOW, i just came home and read your novel, thanks alot man it means alot to me!! The LAST thing i wanted to do is ask for support, but it REALLY, i mean REALLY makes me mad when people who dont support try and tell me how it should be run. Jamie, Beth, etc, thank you so much for your kind words, its means alot to me to know that people dont take what they have forgranted.

Tim, Vincenzo, thank you for your donations!! they wont go unnoticed and they will be put to good use!

[sSNAKESs.com]

V.AW: Man if your going to rebuttle with points, please make them valid, the mice4you post was removed just as theginos was. If you agree to disagree then please at least rebuttle with valid points.

[V.aw]

Jeff that post was up for awhile. I dont really look through a history of posts before i post.. you removed his right away.

[MisterSinister]

I have just read through this whole mess of posts, v.aw and tHEGiNO, why must you flood even this thread with your stupid remarks. If i was the webmaster of this site i would kick you. It has already been said the board of inquiry or whatever its called is not coming back, why must you 2 simpletons continue to fill the thread with your nonsense.

Jeff or Shane, i dont post much but what you are saying makes complete sense to me. I will send you 5$ through paypal.

[V.aw]

sinister, i dont see where i did anything wrong.. I just added a view, they weren't stupid remarks. And it was not out of line, it was all to do with the BOI. I'am sending jeff a donation, which i pm'd him about. So here we go again, with people being negative with others who dont share the same opinion. Sorry if it offended you. (for whatever reason it did?)

[sSNAKESs.com]

Originally posted by V.aw
So the BOI was taken out once, why is it back? It's the same thing with new rules about only stating ONLY positive feedback on breeders. Whats the point?

Please re read the rules of the Inquiry Post... You can say whatever you want to say to people via email who made the inquiries... I dont care what you have to say wether its positive or negative. The forum works like this...

- Someone makes a inquiry
- you have experience with the person in the thread
- you EMAIL or PM him whatever your experiences were wether good or bad.