selling feeder rats - Page 3

TeaNinja · 06-23-11, 10:42 AM

funny, i never once insulted you in any way. i said your opinion of what is "realism" is BS, but that has nothing to do with insulting you. you say you were making "suggestions based upon simple facts of how the reptile and pet industries work" let me back track once again and tell you you're wrong, and not all pet stores are bad. you say i don't know what's happening to them once i'm gone, once again you're wrong. you're right about me not being able to psychically tell if any have diseases. i HAVE seen the way they take care of their animals daily. can i screen buyers, of course not. would i want to, of course not.

as far as your stupid tegu comment, they were either going to get their necks snapped or fed to a snake live, so it can't be too much worse.

if they do get fed to something live, that sucks. at least it's not me having to watch them die. i hope that they find good homes.

and you missed the point 100%, i never did it for the 8$. i did it so i wouldn't have to kill the feeders myself. i don't feel great about it and my mom hates it, she's kind of a hippy.

Dehlida · 06-23-11, 10:49 AM

Necks snapped is humane and instant, as I assume you know how to do it. Not to mention live feeding of rats to a snake? Clearly you haven't had a snake get chewed on or bit by a rat yet, it will happen sooner or later and you'll regret it.

The sad part is- and this is where I will drop it. You would rather sell the rats to an unknown fate simply because you don't want the responsibility of killing the rats- the same rats you produced as food stock. You are more concerned with that- then what is happening to the animals themselves, and that is in and of itself- selfish. I maintain you should not be breeding rats at all if you can't handle dispatching them.

TeaNinja · 06-23-11, 10:50 AM

you are entitled to your opinion

and that "unknown fate" you speak of is either going to be the same fate i would have given them, or better, they'd be adopted. so i still feel you're wrong.

and no, my snakes don't get chewed on because i watch them eat whenever they eat live. and i only have 1 of my 3 snakes left to switch to f/t.

NennaMeerkat · 06-23-11, 12:56 PM

Hey Tea as another past breeder of mice and having had people said the same thing to me I would just say ignore them and move on hun. They (like a lot of other people) only look at rats and mice as food items. If I raised the mouse I would and could never just blink and kill it. Also I know the store you are talking about, since it has been on a couple of shows since it took in all those rats from that hoarding show, and you are right the rats are in nice large homes that are more than what I have seen plenty of rescued rats being in. Personally I think you are doing a great thing...

1. You are raising great rats to become pets that are tame
2. You are raising healthy rats for feeding that people can know where the rat came from

It was those two reasons I had started breeding mice way back when. You are just lucky to have a store that is competent and willing to take your ratties. I had to sell my mice to people directly and it was hard to sell off some of my sweethearts to be feeders. But it was also another reason why the people that did buy for feeders came to me...my mice were so tame they didn't attack the snakes or the people.

TeaNinja · 06-23-11, 01:52 PM

indeed, thank you.

Jay · 06-23-11, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

i clearly wrote that wrong. the frozen one's are pretty much going to be the same price as the live one's for me.

im basically just trading live for frozen.

and stephen you need to read lol, i said 2$ a piece for the 4 rats. that is 8$

That makes sense lol

Max713 · 06-23-11, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

and that "unknown fate" you speak of is either going to be the same fate i would have given them, or better, they'd be adopted. so i still feel you're wrong.

and no, my snakes don't get chewed

You've really got to grow some thicker skin Ninja

What he's getting at, is if you humanly, and painless killed your rats you would seal their fate, leaving no chance for a slow and painful death.

Personally, I think it would be much "kinder" to dispatch them yourself, but as you said, we are all entitled to our own opinion

Also, that last thing about your snakes don't get chewed on. For one, he said that to make a point about how painful it is for a rat to be fed live, not a stab at your husbandry or your snakes health.
Second, you don't have much control, if any at all over your snake getting chewed on one the rodent is in the snakes grasp. If you think otherwise, I'd really like to be shown proof. Otherwise the only other way to stop it is by crushing the skull with a pair of pliers, which I would assume you don't have the stomach to do.

I think if you came into the conversation expecting praise, instead of insult, you could have avoided the confusion, and the bulk of this nasty conversation.

Lastly,

TeaNinja · 06-23-11, 04:20 PM

im kind of sick of posting at this point but i'll give it one more try before i go out. iunno why people keep saying things like not having the stomach to kill. i can kill whatever i want and i don't turn my head and blindly bash it with a shoe as someone else said, i just choose not to and feel bad when i do it. i killed a litter and a half of the rats before i hooked up with the pet shop and found the alternative. as for the getting chewed on, yes it can happen in an instant but if i saw the rat chewing the snake i'd stop it quickly before it became lethal. also the only snake eating live is the snake i just got recently and switched to rat pups. once i get her weaned its back to only f/t.

if it's between killing them instantly now, or giving them a 70/30 chance of being feeders/pets, i feel better about that. plus i don't have to wait for them to grow to large/jumbo for my big snake, i can just sell a few mediums and buy f/t.

as for the thicker skin, you're right. i've always had that sensitivity issue.

also that cat is fat as hell, and it's purcing its lips.

Dehlida · 06-23-11, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

im kind of sick of posting at this point but i'll give it one more try before i go out. iunno why people keep saying things like not having the stomach to kill. i can kill whatever i want and i don't turn my head and blindly bash it with a shoe as someone else said, i just choose not to and feel bad when i do it. i killed a litter and a half of the rats before i hooked up with the pet shop and found the alternative. as for the getting chewed on, yes it can happen in an instant but if i saw the rat chewing the snake i'd stop it quickly before it became lethal. also the only snake eating live is the snake i just got recently and switched to rat pups. once i get her weaned its back to only f/t.

if it's between killing them instantly now, or giving them a 70/30 chance of being feeders/pets, i feel better about that. plus i don't have to wait for them to grow to large/jumbo for my big snake, i can just sell a few mediums and buy f/t.

as for the thicker skin, you're right. i've always had that sensitivity issue.

also that cat is fat as hell, and it's purcing its lips.

Before it came lethal? So you are still admitting risk to the snake by biting? This is what we are getting at, not lethal, but the fact the rat will get many bites off before you can stop it- period. I'm a very very fast person, and even I had a mouse bite a snake several times before I could stop it the fastest way I could.

Lankyrob · 06-23-11, 04:30 PM

Personally i think Tea is more than aware of the risks of live feeding and that is why he has moved all bar his latest snake over to f/t and is in the process of doinf the same with her.

I also agree with him that if there is a choice between certain death now and possible death or adoption later then the second choice is the way to go.

TeaNinja · 06-23-11, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehlida

Before it came lethal? So you are still admitting risk to the snake by biting? This is what we are getting at, not lethal, but the fact the rat will get many bites off before you can stop it- period. I'm a very very fast person, and even I had a mouse bite a snake several times before I could stop it the fastest way I could.

lol of course there is some risk of a snake getting bit while eating, but there is a risk anyone's snake could have a seizure tomorrow and die, that doesn't mean it will happen.

i don't even know what you're arguing anymore. as rob said i don't like live feeding or it's possible reprocusions any more then you do and i'm taking steps to switch to f/t with everything.

you're point is rats can bite your snake if you feed live, i never said they couldn't.

Max713 · 06-23-11, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

im kind of sick of posting at this point but i'll give it one more try before i go out. iunno why people keep saying things like not having the stomach to kill. i can kill whatever i want and i don't turn my head and blindly bash it with a shoe as someone else said, i just choose not to and feel bad when i do it. i killed a litter and a half of the rats before i hooked up with the pet shop and found the alternative. as for the getting chewed on, yes it can happen in an instant but if i saw the rat chewing the snake i'd stop it quickly before it became lethal. also the only snake eating live is the snake i just got recently and switched to rat pups. once i get her weaned its back to only f/t.

if it's between killing them instantly now, or giving them a 70/30 chance of being feeders/pets, i feel better about that. plus i don't have to wait for them to grow to large/jumbo for my big snake, i can just sell a few mediums and buy f/t.

as for the thicker skin, you're right. i've always had that sensitivity issue.

also that cat is fat as hell, and it's purcing its lips.

Well, I wasn't trying to take any stabs at you or anything, but you don't need to reply to me if you don't want to

Just throwing what few cents I had left in on the subject.

Haha