Split in belly scales? : ( - Page 2

Feebo · 10-27-10, 03:01 PM

I`d keep the misting up dude, you don`t want her drying out or it could make things worse. I`m a little concerned about direct heat to that aswell. Can you arrange another method of heating? It might well not be an issue at all but if we put our preventative heads on for a moment, direct heat could potentially dry it out or otherwise irritate it. I can`t recommend proper cleaning AND disinfecting enough. Iodine is very good stuff for keeping things like this clean

I think infection and drying out are the main concerns here. You really don`t want that getting dry and flakey at all. Keep your misting up, once a day but a decent "rainfall" Keep it disinfected and I think you`ll be just fine

Well obviously YOU will, but your snake will too lol

marvelfreak · 10-27-10, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

Huh, I'm going to have to go take a look at all my snakes now..I don't remember seeing spots like that, but I'm going to have to check now. I'm all curious.

The younger the snake the easier to spot. When i got my Bredli Carpet and Marble Borneo last year i noticed it on both of them. I was freaking out wondering what it was. So i called a couple pet store and ask the owner if they ever seen this and was told it was a belly button basically. So when i got my Diamond x Jungle, BRB and Yellow Anaconda i checked and they all had one. My buddy Shawn snake all had them too.

infernalis · 10-27-10, 04:49 PM

I lost a baby garter snake this year from that "belly button" never closing up, the poor thing died within 2 day of birth with a hole in it's belly.

Had I spotted it sooner, I would have just euthanized the snake and spared it the pain.

Feebo · 10-27-10, 05:52 PM

How excatly? It`s difficult to know how you`d go about such a heart breaking but appropriate action. The more I breed, the more I think I`m going to have to do that one day...

maitre · 10-27-10, 06:01 PM

My breeder just got back to me:

"That is the place where the ambilical cord attaches to the snake, after they hatch they absorb the remaining yolk and then the hole seals and leaves the little scar you see. It will fad out as the snake ages, it takes longer for borneos I believe because they do not shed as regularly as other species like balls.
Borneos can be months before there 1st shed after hatching."

presspirate · 10-27-10, 06:10 PM

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks all for the info. And Maitre, best of luck to you and your young girl there.

infernalis · 10-27-10, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Feebo

How excatly? It`s difficult to know how you`d go about such a heart breaking but appropriate action. The more I breed, the more I think I`m going to have to do that one day...

I place them in the refrigerator for about 2 hours forcing them into a state of hibernation, then swiftly put them in the freezer overnight.

The water in their cells expands and forms ice crystals destroying all brain activity.

maitre · 10-27-10, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Feebo

I`d keep the misting up dude, you don`t want her drying out or it could make things worse. I`m a little concerned about direct heat to that aswell. Can you arrange another method of heating? It might well not be an issue at all but if we put our preventative heads on for a moment, direct heat could potentially dry it out or otherwise irritate it. I can`t recommend proper cleaning AND disinfecting enough. Iodine is very good stuff for keeping things like this clean

I think infection and drying out are the main concerns here. You really don`t want that getting dry and flakey at all. Keep your misting up, once a day but a decent "rainfall" Keep it disinfected and I think you`ll be just fine

Well obviously YOU will, but your snake will too lol

Okay, I'll keep the humidity up. I'll do daily newspaper changes to avoid bacteria/fungal blooming. I'm thinking of giving her a humid hide with sphagnum moss as well but, again, I rather not put her on substrate that could get caught in the split!

Hmm, she is in a small tub right now. I can't think of heating her any other way. There are heat panels I guess? but not sure how I'd mount that other than on the lid.

maitre · 10-27-10, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

I place them in the refrigerator for about 2 hours forcing them into a state of hibernation, then swiftly put them in the freezer overnight.

The water in their cells expands and forms ice crystals destroying all brain activity.

Is it possible to just gas them like with rats? When I CO2 my ASF's, they just fall asleep and don't wake up.

Freebody · 10-27-10, 07:59 PM

check out the threat called rats, their is some good info their about how co2 is not good to use to uthenize.

maitre · 10-27-10, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebody

check out the threat called rats, their is some good info their about how co2 is not good to use to uthenize.

I just read the thread.. now I don't know how to euthanize my rats from now on : (

infernalis · 10-27-10, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by maitre

Is it possible to just gas them like with rats? When I CO2 my ASF's, they just fall asleep and don't wake up.

No, the oxygen requirements for reptiles is not even on the same scale as mammals.

Snakes can sit under rocks submerged in water for a VERY long time.

A severed snake head can live for a very long time with its body detached.

so gassing them would be pointless.

The only other way is very brutal, it requires complete destruction of the brain, usually accomplished by crushing the entire head at once.

Not something a lot of us are willing to do.

Feebo · 10-28-10, 04:11 AM

For a humid hide you could buy some sponges, cut them up into little bits and place those into a box and spray them. That way you`ve got your humidity but no bits

You`ll want to disinfect them often but it`ll work a treat... As for heating, unless you have some vivariums at your disposal, I`m a bit stuck for ideas I`m afraid. Maybe you could heat the top of the tub and the sides, but confine the tub so as to push the heat inward? I``d probably play it by belly button lol and just see how it goes. If it starts to look dry and cracked and angry, you know what should help.....

Feebo · 10-28-10, 04:14 AM

Oh and cheers for the info Wayne, that helps a lot...

maitre · 10-28-10, 07:35 AM

I have a couple extra tanks lying around but I would really prefer not to use them. They are both 20gal - one is tall and one is long (w sliding screen lid). My experience with tanks are not good - they've never held heat or humidity as well as plastic tubs.

I'll take a pic of the borneo's set up. Her tub is actually semi-enclosed with a cardboard box. It's kinda hard to explain so I'll just upload a couple pics in a bit : P