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10-06-10, 02:56 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
obviously they do live off live prey in the wild, however thats also a factor as to why the wild life span of snakes is generally shorter than a captive snake... everyone has that little interest of the live hunt however the general danger to the snake stops most people... i mean whats the point of preventable injuries and expensive vets bills.?? Cant you watch a documentary if you want to see things like that? just a thought x
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10-06-10, 03:14 AM
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You can call me JR
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by Snakey-Jay-BRB
obviously they do live off live prey in the wild, however thats also a factor as to why the wild life span of snakes is generally shorter than a captive snake... everyone has that little interest of the live hunt however the general danger to the snake stops most people... i mean whats the point of preventable injuries and expensive vets bills.?? Cant you watch a documentary if you want to see things like that? just a thought x
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um ok i already went thru this (read all b4 you judge) i never did it for the show in fact the only reason i watched was to ensure safety or relative safety. but i just fed my Maynard so when the time comes around to feed Maynard and Gonda again i think ill try some F/T.
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10-06-10, 03:21 AM
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Boa Lover
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Re: frozen vs live
I do read all the posts lol... just felt strongly so had to say my point... anyway it is good that your open to f/t aswell... let us know how you get on with the change x
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10-06-10, 03:31 AM
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You can call me JR
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Re: frozen vs live
ok will do. and i want the record to be clear i am in no way using these snakes for my own amusement beyond the fact that i love snakes and just caring for them brings some measurement of fulfillment to my life i didn't have before. i wish the best for them and all other snakes that probably will slither into my care and will do the right thing always and when i had no other corroboration besides articles and blogs online and stuff from books i had read and felt right to live feed and now i am reconsidering my ways with a trial run of f/t
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 03:43 AM
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Boa Lover
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Re: frozen vs live
great news... my baby brb sat in my hand last nite drinkin from his water bowl.. i wwas amazed x
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10-06-10, 03:58 AM
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You can call me JR
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by Snakey-Jay-BRB
great news... my baby brb sat in my hand last nite drinkin from his water bowl.. i wwas amazed x
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just for clarification what does brb refer to?
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 04:00 AM
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Boa Lover
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Re: frozen vs live
brazilian rainbow boa x check my thread on moisture in brb viv... pics of him on there x
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10-06-10, 04:41 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
no offence but i dont want to hear that propaganda. in the wild its all a snake eats is live prey and many many of them live full and healthy lives so i think a rat i get from a store that hasnt been eating garbage and running thru fields is still a lot better and i cant see it happening like that (although still a valid point to reduce all threat to snake)
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No disrespect again, Just try and stay open minded about this.
In the wild the life expectancy of snakes is usually half or less than the life expectancy in captivity.
One of those reasons is that virtually all wild snakes are loaded with internal parasites they got from eating wild game with parasites in it.
My personal collection (as with many of us) cost me all my spare money to obtain and keep fed. The last thing I need is one of my prized snakes dying from worms in it's gut. 
In the end, regardless if you consider it propaganda or not, live mice and rats do present avoidable problems.
I fed one of my big 4 foot milk snakes a live mouse a few years ago, he got hold of the mouse, and the mouse turned on him and bit the crap out of my snake. He would not eat anything at all for me for over a month.
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10-06-10, 04:48 AM
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You can call me JR
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by infernalis
No disrespect again, Just try and stay open minded about this.
In the wild the life expectancy of snakes is usually half or less than the life expectancy in captivity.
One of those reasons is that virtually all wild snakes are loaded with internal parasites they got from eating wild game with parasites in it.
My personal collection (as with many of us) cost me all my spare money to obtain and keep fed. The last thing I need is one of my prized snakes dying from worms in it's gut.
In the end, regardless if you consider it propaganda or not, live mice and rats do present avoidable problems.
I fed one of my big 4 foot milk snakes a live mouse a few years ago, he got hold of the mouse, and the mouse turned on him and bit the crap out of my snake. He would not eat anything at all for me for over a month. |
well as i said i'm going to try it ill keep you all posted on how it goes
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 07:24 AM
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Hots Down Under
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Re: frozen vs live
Hmm propagander hey, I hope you like worming your snakes a lot. I suppose it would not be that bad when you only have 2 in money terms. When your collection grows and you have spent a house deposit and maybe more on them, thats when you get really worried about taking risks that are far too easily avoided. Also pet stores in general have bad cleaning routines and just think of all the wee and poo thats on that rat your snake is eating. In the end its your choice as to what you do with your animals, i just hope for their sake that reconsider your actions in regards to live feeding.
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10-06-10, 01:38 PM
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You can call me JR
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by percey39
Hmm propagander hey, I hope you like worming your snakes a lot. I suppose it would not be that bad when you only have 2 in money terms. When your collection grows and you have spent a house deposit and maybe more on them, thats when you get really worried about taking risks that are far too easily avoided. Also pet stores in general have bad cleaning routines and just think of all the wee and poo thats on that rat your snake is eating. In the end its your choice as to what you do with your animals, i just hope for their sake that reconsider your actions in regards to live feeding.
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-_- i just went thru this
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 01:47 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
Stay cool, Just words on a screen. 
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10-06-10, 02:35 PM
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You can call me JR
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by infernalis
Stay cool, Just words on a screen. |
im solid bro im not some kind of internet flamer or anything. i said one dont be a jerk and now i'm turned into a raving lunatic that goeas off the handlebars at everything lolzzzzzzzzzz
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 03:45 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
like wayne said about internal parasites, these parasites not only stay in wild reptile but if they didnt have these and they ate the food they ate they would most likley die as a result, monitors for an example, eat carrion the worst most rotten meat, if you gave that to a captile bread monitor, im pretty sure it would not do so well, i cant say it would die but i would be sick for sure. as fare as freezing food goes, it also kills any bugs ie snake mites that could be a problem at that store as just one example, FT is by far your better choice for food 
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11-06-10, 04:09 PM
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Member
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Re: frozen vs live
Could someone please provide me with the source that says that frozen/thawed prey has less nutritional value then a live prey item?
If I freeze a hamburger patty does it have less nutritional value then a patty that has never been frozen?
Where do all those nutrients go?
Last edited by Deej85; 11-06-10 at 04:10 PM..
Reason: Grammar Correction
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