Wall (ball x woma)

[marvelfreak]

Is it just me or is this taking it to far? A ball x a woma= wall. A ball x a carpet = carpall. I want to here what you all think about the people that breed this kind of snakes. I mean yes they look different (kind of cool), but is this taking it to far to make a buck cross breeding species? Here a picture of a wall. I came across on kingsnake.com 1033215.jpg

[marvelfreak]

Here's a carpall. 1011078.jpg

[mykee]

Hybrids: not cool.
Hybrid breeders are not respected amongst breeders and hobbysists alike.

[emseeKAY]

i know many hybrids are sterile but what are the other problems with them? i have never really researched the topic lol might as well hear it from you all with much more experience than i

[jejton]

Before finding the snake hobby community ( I have been keeping snakes and other creatures most my life ) I never heard of hybrid snakes and to be quite honest I dont think it should be done. You dont see this in just about any other reptile or amphibian keeping. Heck in dart frogs, most serious keepers/breeders dont even mix subspecies or locales and I think thats the best way to do it. The naturally occuring species, subspecies and populations have so much to offer and so many of them are rapidly dissappearing, why not do what we can to preserve them in captivity while we still can.

[Aaron_S]

This is a rather hot topic amongst reptile forums. Some people think it's cool and others, not so much.

At least with the wall you can tell it's neither a woma nor ball python. The carpall, well you can tell it's not a ball python but I could see someone trying to pass it off as some sort of variation of "jungle carpet".

The reason it's a hot topic is because people like to keep their bloodlines "pure". If you take that carpall for example and then breed it into some jungle carpets, then you've got a whole clutch of mixed genes. The problem with this is the breeder can't always control where these animals end up, or sold as what. The original breeder could say they were 75% carpet and 25% ball python but the person who buys it or breeds it again may only say it's pure carpet.

It's frowned upon to do such things with the intentions of doing something cool. Also, snake hybrids are NOT sterile.

[Hillsberry]

The snakes are very pretty though. But I would never get one.

[gonesnakee]

I'm a fence sitter as I am OK with some Hybrids but not OK with others.
The above are not desirable IMHO why anyone would want to hybridize any Python is beyond me pretty much, however I have no real issues with most Colubrid hybrids.
Crossing common American species is one thing.
Hybridizing CITES stuff from Austrailia where all export is prohibited is totally another.
Why anyone would want to cross a short fat ugly snake from Africa with a nice long slender beauty from Austrailia is beyond me anyways LOL (that will ge Mykee going LOL)
As for them being "sterile" not sure on any of the Python hybrids really as they hold ZERO interest to me, but the Colubrid hybrids breed quite well with each other or back to their parent species or other subspecies & species as well.
You get some wild colors & patterns going on as well but when crossing Pythons usually end up with dull drab looking things that are sterile more often than not I would think, which is maybe a good thing, Mark

[Aaron_S]

Mark, there are quite a few python hybrids now. The first one (to my knowledge) was the borneo bat eater. The retic x burm. It took a long time to get those babies but they are not sterile. There are 75% retic and 75% burms running (slithering) around. To my knowledge, no reptile hybrid has been proven sterile.

[mykee]

Why anyone would want to cross a short fat ugly snake from Africa with a nice long slender beauty from Austrailia is beyond me

I agree!!!
As for the "ugly" part Isbell....

[gonesnakee]

Ya Bateaters are big ugly snakes as well LOL
There are some that look not too bad, kind of Jaguarish, but one could just buy a Jaguar.
They are the only ones I have ever really heard of folks having the breeding success that folks have with Colubrid Hybrids.
I think some of the Carpondro crap will pan out as well as its all Morelia afterall, they look wicked as babies but turn out ugly as sin after a year or so.
Not sure about the above BP crap or some other thngs folks have tried.
Like whatever happened to the Woma X IJs? for example.
I agree that as far as folks thinking they are all sterile that they are most indeed wrong, but may be correct in some cases? Time will tell LOL Mark

[gonesnakee]

Originally Posted by mykee

I agree!!!
As for the "ugly" part Isbell....

Ya I thru in that 1 word just for you LOL Mark

[Aaron_S]

Why do you feel differently about colubrids and pythons Mark? Just curious as I know some morphs are just hybrids. The creamsicle corns come to mind.

[gonesnakee]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Why do you feel differently about colubrids and pythons Mark? Just curious as I know some morphs are just hybrids. The creamsicle corns come to mind.

HUGE difference between CITES stuff & the "dime a dozen" stuff native to the US.
That as well as none of the Python Hybrids do it for me.
Most appear to be dull drab looking snakes IMHO
Why take 2 nice looking species & make a crappy looking mutt?
Even some Colubrid crossings folks do are just butt ugly LOL
The object of hybridizing is to make more colorfull or nicer patterned animals or to bred a certain gene be it either color or pattern into another species.
Not just throw whatever males & females togther to see what pops out.
Look at pics of say Junglecorns they have all kinds of stuff going on, the best of both parent species. I look at the above & see none of that happening.
Like I said I'm a fence sitter IE: Hypocrite Mark

[emseeKAY]

im not sure where i read that many are sterile but thats the internet for ya lol as for me ill stick with the non-hybrids, oh well to each his (or her) own i guess