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[Paul_Begg]

Originally Posted by kane

well you guys are NOT the top breeders lol i've never heard of you.names like corey woods and markus jayne lol.

I've never heard of you either, but you're throwing out some pretty bold statements.
What seems to have been forgotten here, is that none of us 3 never heard of breeders have said once that a hide is detrimental to a ball pythons life. You on the other hand, have said they they do 100% need a hide. Well, we're living proof, along with several BIG breeders that they don't need or sometimes even use a hide if given one.
cheers
Paul

[Aaron_S]

Kane, originally Mykee wasn't clear that ball pythons don't need hides. He corrected himself to say that they ball pythons should have hideboxes if you're keeping them in cages with glass fronts and sides. (Fish aquariums) He only meant that rubbermaids,being opaque hide the snake and make it feel secure enough not to need them. (Also keeping them in proper sized rubbermaids) Breeders use rack systems with rubbermaids for various reasons and this is one of them.