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Old 02-17-05, 12:32 AM   #46
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Thanks for making my theories seem more reasonable Gary.

Pot smoking Popeye would eat the smurfs houses and laugh, and laugh and laugh about it.

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hahaa...you guys are all classic

don't forget the Pentagon was hit by a missle now too...haha
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Old 02-17-05, 12:47 AM   #48
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The pepeye link I mentioned - good read!
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/21206/

Peak oil

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ (very good read with lots of information)

http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html

skull. cia, bush, drugs, kennedy

http://www.oilempire.us/kerry.html

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullandbones.htm

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Communist smurf of Gary's, there is something to this

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...ommunist&meta=
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Old 02-17-05, 12:52 AM   #49
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I looked at http://batesmotel.8m.com/ I here I will have a go at all their "proofs" from pictures. I won't put the pics in this post so go see on the site. All the proofs have either a letter or number on that site so I will be using them as reference.

A: Quote: " On the moon, there is only one light source, the sun. This is a shot of Buzz Aldrin and Neal Armstrong planting the US flag on the moon. If the sun is the only light source used by NASA on the moon, Aldrins shadow A shadows should not be so much longer than Armstrong's"

Depending on the height of the astronaut the shadow will vary in length. (standing on a mound or in the air) And depending on the position of the sun only a few inches can make a big difference.


B: Quote: " If you will look at area B you will notice a shadow cast across Buzz Aldrin's space suit. Once again, if the Sun is the only light source used on the moon, this shadow would have been MUCH darker. "

For us to be able to see the moon at night light from the sun has to be reflected by the moons' surface and enter our eye. Since moondust is reflective light from the sun will reflect on the ground and make this shadow lighter, also the darkness of the shadow depends on where the sun is positioned.

C: Quote: " Looking at area C you will notice that the surface of the moon fades off into the distance, then is met with the moon's horizon. In a no-atmosphere environment, the ground shouldn't have faded out, but stayed crystal sharp unto the moon's horizon."

This was in 1969. Cameras weren't as good as they are now. If you have a digital camera go to a field, have someone stand in front of you, put that person in the center of the picture and snap a shot. You will see that the camera can only focus on whats in the middle but everything around will fade as it get farther.

D: Quote: " Looking at area D you can plainly see some type of structure reflected through Aldrins helmet. I do not know what it is, but it is there."

The 'structure' you see is between both astronauts because it passes in front of the little astronaut that you can see in the mask. I asked a friend who makes graphics for web sites if he could replicate something like that with photoshop, i'll get back to you on this when I get his answer.

E: Quote: "In this picture, taken from the LEM, you can see at least two abnormalities. In section E you see an abnormal shadow on the moon's surface. NASA claims that this shadow is the shadow cast by the Lunar Module, but on earth, even when aircraft is flying low to the ground, it does not produce such a clearly defined shadow."

Take a big piece of cardboard and go out about 2 hours before sunset (to get the right height of the sun) and lift the cardboard in the air. You will notice that the closer you bring the cardboard to the ground the more focused the shadow gets. Now the LEM is much bigger than the cardboard piece you will use so the shadow would be defined at a greater distance.

3: Quote: " OK, here's the kicker... if you will look at section 3 you will notice there are no stars in the sky. In fact, you will never see any stars in any NASA Moon photographs, or hear an astronaut mention anything about the glorious stars that are visible when out of the earths atmosphere."

This is probably the sites' worst "proof". Here's why: The reason you can't se very many stars at night in the city is because of the street lights. Since the street lights are so bright, the light from the stars is blended in and you can't see a star. Now imagine being on the moon with with coming from the sun (there is no atmosphere so it is brighter) and light is reflected from the ground thus making the stars "invisible" from the moons' surface.

6: same as 3
J: same as 3

K: Quote: "In area K you will notice that one side of the LEM in covered in shadow, but somehow the symbol of the US flag in illuminated. This very well could have been a touch up job."

I have 2 answers. #1: Light can pass through the fabric of the flag.
or #2: Photoshop.

L: Quote: "This picture was taken off a camera that was strapped to Conrad's chest. If the camera was attached to Conrad's chest, the top of Bean's helmet L should not be in this picture."

Get someone to stand in front of you, put a camera on your chest and take a picture. If you're close enough you won't see the top of his head.
But take another picture from the same distance, this time leen back a little and you will catch all of that persons' head in the picture.

M: Quote: " All of the shadows reflected in Bean's visor M are going off in separate directions, not in parallel lines like they should be."

This would be right if the visor was a flat mirror. Since the visor is convex this isn't true.

N: Quote: " If you will look at the Environmental sampler that Al Bean is holding, N , The reflection is coming from a light source other than the sun, but it is possible that light is being reflected off the space suit."

The light is reflected from the suit.

7: Quote: " There is a strange anomaly in the sky 7 , It is yet to be determined what that might be."

The 'anomaly' could be a piece of wire or something sticking in front of the lense but no one can say for sure.
I would also like to point out that this photo has been photoshop'd. If you look between #7 and L you will see that a circle has been lightened. Because of this the accuarcy of the pictures can be argued.

S: Quote: " In our last picture, I would like to direct your attention to the circled portion of the screen. These Lunar Rover tracks are quite well defined, don't you agree? Well, the fact is, you need a mixture of a compound, and water, to make such defined lines. I don't know if that idea is so convincing, but I assure you, this next one is."

If fine dust or sand if compacted with enough pressure it will keep the shape of the mold (tires in the picture). Seeing the size of the vehicle it was heavy enough to make imprints in the fine moon dust.

R: Quote: " If you look at the rock labeled R you will notice a the letter C carved in the rock. Perhaps a gag left by the props department?"

This could be one of many things. Either a groove in the rock, photoshop'd but I think it's a scratch on the film like the straight line to the left of the 'C'.


I was careful not to say that this is stupid because I looked at it and tried to find a logical explanaition to all the questions in the pictures. So concept3 i'm not trying to make anyone look stupid, only giving explanaitions and examples.

I would like to see if someone could shoot down my arguments with a logical reason and not just say that it's BS.

Thanks for taking the time to read this . What are your thoughts on my arguements?

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Reality or hoax aside, the simple truth is that mankind just has to know everything. Noses pressed against the glass, eyes wide shut and minds running on fumes and half ideas. Now, that said, we over-ananlize every aspect of life, no matter how big or how small. We are all so convinced of conspiracies that we cannot enjoy life the way it is intended to be enjoyed. Who cares what is real and what is not, as we will never know what the "government" is really up to. They have thier dirty little hands in every pocket and coffer and hide as much as possible from the general public. That will never change. As far as the persons involved in said "conspiracies" and cover-ups, why would they jeopardize thier casual and expensive ways of life to blow anyone's cover. After all, who would believe them anyways? It basically amounts down to nothing because it's a self contained, self-destructing political merry-go-round that never stops. I think I'll sit back and let the chips fall where they may, just enjoying life and the oddities that may/may not come to pass. When the aliens come to take me away I'll just ask them to leave some evidence that they were here, to keep everyone guessing. Either that or I'll get Big Foot to send some post cards from Eden.

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Old 02-17-05, 01:14 AM   #51
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Thanks for taking the time there Snow. Far more topical and productive than my satirical rantings. I agree completely.

Edit: and damn, my Smurf theory was much more fun when I was the only one ranting on about it. I suppose really it was obvious and only a matter of time before someone else realised it too.
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Okay.........
Reality or hoax aside, the simple truth is that mankind just has to know everything. Noses pressed against the glass, eyes wide shut and minds running on fumes and half ideas. Now, that said, we over-ananlize every aspect of life, no matter how big or how small. We are all so convinced of conspiracies that we cannot enjoy life the way it is intended to be enjoyed. Who cares what is real and what is not, as we will never know what the "government" is really up to. They have thier dirty little hands in every pocket and coffer and hide as much as possible from the general public. That will never change. As far as the persons involved in said "conspiracies" and cover-ups, why would they jeopardize thier casual and expensive ways of life to blow anyone's cover. After all, who would believe them anyways? It basically amounts down to nothing because it's a self contained, self-destructing political merry-go-round that never stops. I think I'll sit back and let the chips fall where they may, just enjoying life and the oddities that may/may not come to pass. When the aliens come to take me away I'll just ask them to leave some evidence that they were here, to keep everyone guessing. Either that or I'll get Big Foot to send some post cards from Eden.

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heh i'm 17, I wasn't born when this happened and I don't care how many people think it's a hoax I just want to understand why they think it's a hoax. When you see big foot tell him I said Hi lol.

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Old 02-17-05, 02:05 AM   #54
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i believe the landing was real, cause most of the videos are very convincing. Especially one that i saw where the astronauts were collecting rock samples, one astronaut saw a boulder, about the size of a VW Beetle 50 feet away, he started walking towards it, and he never seemed to get closer, he ended up walking hundreds of feet away to the boulder that he thought was small, turned out the boulder was the size of a small house. this is a video that i saw, it would be tremendously hard for them to fake that back then. because there is no air in space, there is no depth perception. how do u explain that you nonbelievers?
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FOR NON-HOAXERS:

I have to say that I too, believe it is a hoax. Based on a number of simple evidences like the flag in the pictures hanging limp in a virtually no gravity environment, among other things.

As far as goverment conspiracy goes, I can only say so much, but I live in a family of people who are REQUIRED to keep their mouths shut about what they do at work (even to their own family members) and have signed away their rights to privacy, and will get in a lot of deep dooky should things they have sworn to keep secret be revealed.

The goverment most CERTAINLY keeps secrets from its people, at least here in the good ole us of a. People like living in their little happy yuppie bubbles, and if people knew the truth about everything, im quite certain we'd have mass chaos on our hands.

I dont doubt, however, we have in fact truly been to the moon since then, but I think the original landing was, in fact, POORLY staged. Watch the movie. Weigh the evidence for yourself. The mass media will never be all over it because they know better than to piss off the CIA. I KNOW a 16 year old kid who got hauled off in a helicopter by the feds because he jokingly said in a public message board once that he was going to assasinate the pres. This was years ago, too. But dont think big brother isnt watching, and dont think that the feds dont VERY carefully guard their secrets. To think anything different is crazier than the pot smoking smurfs theories. Just some food for thought.

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Sidenote-

Gary- I think your correlations are fantastic. The media is constantly feeding our kids social messages via cartoons, and communism, particularly in the era when the smurfs were created and most popular, is very likely to be one of them. People dont WANT to realize these things, because it means they have to re-evaluate what their own kids are being exposed too, and read between the lines all the time in a society that thrives on complacency. Props to you for a smashing smurfy synopsis.

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This is funny. They landed on the moon ... stop being haters

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What about the Dulce Air Base and the Denver Airport?

I wear foil hats every day...
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Here's a few Links as well:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptilian-humanoids.htm
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