A monster was killed!! - Page 10

Rikki · 12-30-04, 12:17 AM

I do not at all lack animal knowledge, i have been with animals since the begining! I know they are smart animals, I am the one always saying animals are smarther than the majority of humans. Just because you have talked to a few AA doesnt mean all are that way "you described".

The croc was hungry saw prey and attacked NATURALLY, becuase people invaded there territory

. I never said the croc was a fuzzy stuffed creature, i have came in direct cotact with crocs before, you are acting as i think the animal is a fun and cudly creature, which is not the case, no true AA thinks that way.

As said before they killed after the event, if i had to kill to survive i would, but if the person is already dead why kill? What will it solve, ask your self the question. It solves nothing, the should be handled in a humane and ethical way, not an act of stupidity.

BoidsUnlimited · 12-30-04, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by Shad0w
snakers55,

You gotta be kidding me?

Im all for conservation and all.. but sometimes an animal poses too much a threat... like this one...?

Us humans pose as a threat to every species of animal out there...should we be rid of?

I think a nice re-location woulda been fine.

snakers55 · 12-30-04, 01:28 AM

Lol..Mission to Mars.. A couple of things I disagree with (if it matters at all) is that one, ravensgait said that mice do not attack cats because they are afraid of them,well of course, cats are 100 times larger than mice, but with a lot of animals, they will eat anything smaller than them,or try to at least.. Also, it seems that one of Marisas main arguments was that the crocodile ate several people and was left alone intil now, but as someone else mentioned, how did they know it was that particular crocodile for the first couple?? Maybe it took them 5 lives to catch on.. Finally, I think that comparing that scenario to the gators in florida is somewhat different.. North American's have a totally different lifestyle than people in africa... If a Florida resident wanted to not go anywhere near any gators, that's easy for them to do, these people in Africa probably encounter animals that are life threatening on a daily or weekly basis, and have limited ways of avoiding them, they cannot simply put up a chain link fence to block out any unwanted crocodiles from wandering into their pools so to speak.. It is very very interesting reading everyones views and opinions on this subject (lol,and hopefully I don't starta ny wars, because I hate typing a lot, I just felt left out that 10 pages of threads were posted and I only posted one little message at the start lol).. Sad thing is, I think I've read every single message too!!haha.. Keep em comin'!

Rikki · 12-30-04, 01:49 AM

Boids Unlimited, also well put. We kill everything but our species its fine, you say its nature. They kill us its wrong? Its just nature :P

ravensgait · 12-30-04, 03:18 AM

Well we could guess all we want about how long between each human death it was. Um folks most crocs don't hunt humans they tend to avoid them . If they didn't there would be far fewer from eating people and us destroying them.

Rikki we kill our own kind always have and I'm sad to say probably always will.

Rikki this is just a guess but you seem like a very young person and I would also guess that most of your animal experience has been with pets and captive animals? Which gives you no real idea of what their true nature is. You have a right to your opinions as we have a right to try to show you the reality of situations like this Croc but as I and others have noted you seem unwilling to see. You keep saying well why kill it after it has eaten someone!! The reason which is as plain as can be, is that it will kill again and again untill it is destroyed. Moving it wasn't an option we could all wish it was but it wasn't a reasonable option for these people. You and others can say and dream what you want to but the fact is the vast majority of people in this would would have done the same thing , destroyed the croc. . It was old and most likely couldn't hunt it's natural prey any more and found people easy to catch, it has been proven time and again that once an animal kills and eats humans it will continue to do so.

Folks you can say relocate or fence the water off or whatever but what was done was the best thing for all concerned no if ands or buts about it. You can keep saying poor animal, people are so mean, we invade their territory etc well for those of you who seem not to know people belong to this earth, sure there are to many of us and we make a mess and must do better but we are the top animal here. Now if you want to give up your house and car and cloths and all the other stuff that you have to be one with nature I don't think anyone will stop you but after a week or so in the wilds naked cold and hungry that bunny is sure gonna loook tasty and his fur will looook so warm..... bye bye bunny that is if your smart enough to catch it (Sorry about that Rikki)

Rikki · 12-30-04, 03:56 AM

By Nikki, im guessing you mean Rikki. No im am not a young person, or at least not very young, I am in my early 20's. And you should never underestimate a person due to age, i have been in contact with many, many wild animals and have been in dangerous situations as well....And we do not know if moving the croc was not an option, rather is was or not we should not murder...

Crocs are never ones hard to find a meal, they easily capture dear and large fish, saying the croc was old doesnt mean we murder it. My gradmother is old, shall i take a pistol to her head? No one is saying people do not belong here, but we have DESTROYED this planet. ..

In todays world we have evolved and have other humane and ethical options of feeding and keeping warm, you made it look as we do not

Slannesh · 12-30-04, 05:09 AM

Are you always this intentionally obtuse Rikki?

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In todays world we have evolved and have other humane and ethical options of feeding and keeping warm, you made it look as we do not

This incident happened in Africa along the Nile river. We aren't talking about downtown New York here. And keep in mind this isn't a 6' aligator we're talking about.. it's a 15' known killer that on at least two seperate occasions decided to dine on people. Also, you keep insisting on calling killing the croc murder which is completely wrong.

From the dictionary:

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Murder:
n.

1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock.

The Croc is neither human nor did it have 'malicious' intent. It was hunting and feeding as instinct and survival demand, plain and simple.

However I personally find it offensive that you're now valuing the life of one rogue crocidile as equal to that of 3 KNOWN human victims and who knows how many more unreported victims? Let's get real here. Since you're even on this site I can pretty safely surmise that you keep herps as pets? So if, as you've inferred, they deserve all the same rights and freedoms as any human doesn't that make you a bit of a hypocrite? I notice in another thread you're looking for wholesale reptile deals? Moving from unlawful imprisonment into full fledged slave trader now are you?

At least you got a clue and dropped the PETA crap from your sig

Rikki · 12-30-04, 08:28 AM

My reptiles are not in any way kepy as "slaves" as you described

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Murder, aka killing from one being. Murder taking ones life, shooting a croc is taking a life....same thing

Murder is muder, get used to it. Shall you be shot in the head for eating a steak? Its natural, what the croc did is natural.

JimmyDavid · 12-30-04, 09:19 AM

10 pages of disagreement...wow! incredible.

After reading peterm15's comments i got worried. He said he would pull the trigger on either animal or human...hmmm, justice by his own hands. ok, i guess that's at least 10 years

Someone mentioned that the croc should not go to a zoo because if there ever was an earthquake, the walls could come down and we would have a killer crocodile out in the streets...OMG, Well, what can i say about this?! Let's see...we have an earthquake strong enough to make such damage and there's nothing better to worry about than a croc?! I guess we would have lions, tigers and rhinos on the loose also because every zoo has those, but our concern would still be the croc. Perhaps there would be thousands of people to rescue from beneath the buildings, but (you got it) our concern was the croc. I can see the president on tv "beloved nation, we are gathered in this dark moment. The victims are over 30000, and we must seek confort on each other now. Our professionals will begin a rescue mission for survivals, err...as soon as we find a crocodile first". hahaha, well, i heard it happened before with a king cobra (for real) but it's stupid.

ravensgait · 12-30-04, 12:55 PM

Rikki like most animal rights ers I've met you take a small part of a conversation or comment and key on it and seem to ignor the rest ie "My gradmother is old, shall i take a pistol to her head" doesn't address the other issues of an old Croc and she is human not a Croc or mouse. In reality there is a really really big difference. When it comes to many things in life no age doesn't matter, but in my 20s my perspective on life was much narrower then it is now they call it life experience. I'd like to hear about one or two of these dangerous situations with wild animals.
Also Like most you bend the animal rights credo to suit your needs ie owning pets how can they be as equal as you if you keep them where you want and do with them as you please? Sorry about the name thing I fixed it. By the way shooting a killer of any species to save someones life isn't murder.

Slannesh I asked her about keeping animals a ways back in the thread at least she answered you.

I could see it now the Croc arrested for multiple murders, His Lawyer argues that he is insane ie didn't know or understand that what he did was wrong. Judge rules in crocs favor and the croc is sentenced to a facility for the mentally ill. Is released after 5 years and eats 3 kids and a dog. Poor Croc "da"

Rikki · 12-30-04, 02:11 PM

Here we go again.... The other animals on the planet may not be as valuable to you as it is to them, though do you really think they care much about us either? Animals have the same desire to live and he did what came natural! Thats the bottom line!

The croc could have been left alone, relocated, the options can go on and on.....

I have been charged by a 11' alligator, ive been trampled by hers of horses and much more..... I know how animals are, so please do not try to make it look like people who beleive animals diserve the right to live know nothing.

No one is suggesting the croc is "arrested" as you put it.

JimmyDavid · 12-30-04, 03:00 PM

Ok, i can see a bit of truth on everybody's opinion here. Some are concerned about the crocodile, others about the humans. It's all fine.
But you all have to realise that sometimes there's no excuse: VENGEANCE is a powerfull motivation. Period! We all try to come up with justifications for our more violent actions, a redeemer to help us sleep better at night, but revenge is the only way out for our adrenaline build up. And it feels so good...
"ohh, he deserved it!" "he brought it on himself" " he had to be stoppd or he could do it again", and so on. Let's be honest, the scariest killer is the one that knows what death is and still he likes what he does, and that description can only be applied to a human being. Now, a serial killer gets 20 years and goes to jail. That means that after 20 years you'll have the "scariest killer" free to kill again. Why wasn't he killed then? Will you ever trust him in your neighbourhood again? So, where's the theory that a proven man-killer should be stopped forever? Perhaps it's more easy to apply that on a croc, because it's just a stupid beast anyway...
I remember reading somewhere that they killed the horse that hurt Christopher reeves. For God's sake, can you get any dumber? Killing an animal because the rider took a fall. It's not like the horse planned it...gee.
I admit that a human life is much more important than an animal's but I still say that the"Vengeance factor" is what makes us ... a little less human.

CamHanna · 12-30-04, 03:20 PM

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Posted by Rikki in August (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=51052)
Im just curious, how old is everyone here? I may reveal my age soon... Can people guess how old i am?... Between 13-69.... 14

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Posted by Rikki in this thread
I'm am not a young person, or at least not very young, I am in my early 20's.

They sure do grow up quickly.

marisa · 12-30-04, 03:27 PM

Yeah thanks Cam Hanna. In another thread I KNEW you said 14, now you are in your early twenties?

Where is honesty these days people? Simple honesty. One should learn that before they can talk about whats right and wrong for others to do.

Marisa

Rikki · 12-30-04, 03:57 PM

*blushes* tired of everyong constantly arguing about age. Its patheic how people are treated on these forums, and the mods and senior members are the ones usually doing it....