Weirdest hamster I've ever seen

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Originally posted by paulsreef
in Canada it's going to be banned because some babies had actually suffered heart attacks from the pain.

Any information to backup your asinine claims?

[Katt]

Cool!! They look a lot better without the hair!

I love all the hairless rodents/cats/dogs. They look neat to me!

They're all natural mutations, not the result of genetic engineering by some evil corporation.

[paulsreef]

Is circumcision painful?
The often repeated statement that babies can't feel pain is not true. It is documented in the medical literature that babies are as sensitive to pain as anyone else, and perhaps more so. [13,14]

Most circumcisions are performed without anaesthetic, because there are risks involved with using anaesthetics on babies. Sometimes local injections are used, but this does not eliminate pain. Most babies will show signs of pain during the procedure and in the week or ten days following circumcision. Recent studies have shown that the pain is remembered long beyond the time of the procedure itself. [23]

While pain may help parents decide against circumcision, parents should look at the long term effects of their decision first, not only during infanthood, but all the way to adulthood. Your decision will affect your son for the duration of his life.

It used to be covered by OHIP, but once it was proven that there are no medical reasons to back it up, only religious or cultural reasons; It no longer is covered by OHIP. If it wasn't painful they wouldn't have to strap the baby to a board.
Paul.

[spidergecko]

Originally posted by paulsreef
There's nothing wrong with being uncircumsized; ...

Sure there is. The ladies prefer it cut

And we all know they own that part of us anyway.

[spidergecko]

Originally posted by t-dot
http://www.petwebsite.com/hairless.htm

I didn't understand this quote in the article:

Wide and irresponsible distribution of these haired hamsters could cause an "outbreak" of hairless hamsters to appear in the future.

Is it irresponsible because the hairless hamsters can't produce milk and would starve? Then how could they be widespread if they keep dying?

[nita]

Originally posted by RMBolton
Any information to backup your asinine claims?

I hadn't heard of heart attacks but I've seen the operations done to clean things up when circs get screwed up. Personally I would never remove a natural part of my childs body for cosmetic or religous reasons. Here is a link not for the faint of heart but it is one of many I found while pregnant not to mention many other resources provided by my doctor on the cons of circs and there were no pros!!

http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm

[nita]

Originally posted by spidergecko
Sure there is. The ladies prefer it cut

And we all know they own that part of us anyway.

LMAO, WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!


Guess that is my preference though!!! Hehehehe

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I find it quite humourous that this thread has turned into the ethics of circumcision, but I'll continue with it....

Paulsreef, what are you referencing?
The claim of heart attack is all that is being questioned, not whether or not there is pain - so why would you reply with this? You claimed that babies are having heart attacks from circumcision and that Canada is banning the practice, which is simply not true - the debate ends here. Who would question the aspect of pain (although I don't remember feeling anything, though I don't remember much of anything around that time)?
And, yes, it is a health issue. A few years ago when I was working in a hospital we would have more than a few cases where adult males were having circumcisions performed because of health complications.
All I wanted was for you to show us all where you got your information that babies are having heart attacks and Canada is banning circumcision.... Sounds suspiciously like classic hearsay tripe.
Ryan

*edit: all you have to do is show us the medical report linking the cause of death (myocardial infarction) to circumcision and Canada's proposed legislation to ban circumcision in males.

[peterm15]

as far as i knew skinny pigs were genitacly altered.. so ppl with alergies could own one... thats just what i heard

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Originally posted by nita
I hadn't heard of heart attacks but I've seen the operations done to clean things up when circs get screwed up. Personally I would never remove a natural part of my childs body for cosmetic or religous reasons. Here is a link not for the faint of heart but it is one of many I found while pregnant not to mention many other resources provided by my doctor on the cons of circs and there were no pros!!

http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm

Again, Nita, thanks for the link but it is the claim that babies have heart attacks and that Canada is banning the practice that is in question, nothing else.
Ryan

[Wrath]

If the guy is not nasty, I like uncircumcized. The thing that bothers me about circumcizion is that people have it done to them before they have the choice. Some people need to have it done for medical reasons and others prefer it cut. On the other hand, it is much more painful to have it done to an adult, so I dont know which is best.

[spidergecko]

Ever hear about those guys who get the skin caught in their zipper (RIP) and need to have the procedure done in adulthood? Ouch!

Anyway, I don't know of many men who have regretting their parents choice to do the procedure (but then again, I don't sit around with the guys discussing penises).

[urd]

this may sound stupid but i never realized circumcision was so common in America, here in England circumcision is not nearly as common, i think i only know one person who is circumcised.

[Shad0w]

How the heck did a thread about hamsters get into human circumcision? LOL

[paulsreef]

Several doctors have given estimates of the number of deaths that occur each year. Douglas Gairdner reported 16-19 actual deaths a year in England and Wales from neonatal circumcisions in the 1940s.8 Sydney Gellis believed that "there are more deaths from complications of circumcision than from cancer of the *****.9 There are various figures for the number of deaths from penile cancer ranging from 200 to 480 deaths per year. Robert Baker estimated 229 deaths per year from circumcision in the United States.10