Well this was just a BIT cruel... - Page 2

joey · 12-09-04, 06:18 PM

PLENTY of pigeons, rats and squirrles....

Jayson · 12-09-04, 06:36 PM

I think that you really have to try and look at it from a property owners point of view.
Lets face it people these days will sue for anything. And i am pretty sure if a stick fell 12 floors and cracked the wrong person on the head there would be a very large lawsuit.
Also for the owner to pay someone for the removal of the nest tells me that people have likly been complaining.

peterm15 · 12-09-04, 06:38 PM

i heard a story like that a long time ago... but instead if just getting rid of it they relocated it to the center of the roof on some sort if pillar... supposedly it took a few hours of the hawks landing where the nest was for them to figure out where it was now... and the better part of the story is that the residents and city officals wanted it totally removed but the owners just decided to try to relocate it....

so not all thoes rich yuppy sob's are bad..... just most of them...

Double J · 12-09-04, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jayson
Also for the owner to pay someone for the removal of the nest tells me that people have likely been complaining.

I still do not understand what there is to complain about? An "unsightly nest?" A little bit of mouse meat on the sidewalk on occasion? If anything, I should be launching complaints about their ridiculous gas-guzzling SUV's that are choking up other people's air with their emissions. Going back to the mouse meat, there are far more unsanitary messes on sidewalks such as GARBAGE.. and lots of it. Not to mention used condoms, diapers, and lots of other nice clean things. There are tons of road killed pigoens and squirrels as well. And are mice not an unwelcome problem? Anything that preys upon mice would be welcome in my neighborhood. If a little bit of mouse fur and a few twigs on the sidewalk on occasion are the "problem"... I'd welcome that. There are far more disgusting an unnatural things on the streets in NYC.

In my opinion, if anyone would actually sue for a branch falling onto their head from a bird's nest (I am sure there are many), they deserve to get as many branches dropped on their heads as it takes for them to realize they are being ridiculous. The things people sue for are beyond belief. People are so terribly in need of someone to blame for their problems, when in fact it is often themselves. If humans would promote the existence of proper habitat for these animals, people would not have these ""problems"" in the first place.

Brent Strande · 12-09-04, 11:11 PM

What if the entire nest fell? It isn't nestled in some tree, it's hanging off the edge of a building, how structurally sound is it?

Theres a lot of questions here to be asking before going overboard...

What if that nest fell and killed your girlfriend, or your mom?

People need to understand that it most likely wasn't a deliberate attack against mother nature

Double J · 12-09-04, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Brent Strande
What if the entire nest fell? It isn't nestled in some tree, it's hanging off the edge of a building, how structurally sound is it?......
......What if that nest fell and killed your girlfriend, or your mom?

Let's be realistic here. A nest falling out of a tree and killing someone? Somehow I don't think so. If this is the logic for removing the nest, then the municpal government should remove all of the automobiles in NYC for all of the car accidents that occur every hour.
Without a doubt, the nest was removed the nest for no good reason. People spray their lawns with pesticides and herbicides for no good reason..... but they still do it because they beleive it is "necessary." I think this is the case here.

JAdkins2451 · 12-09-04, 11:25 PM

No it wasnt in a tree, but they did say there were metal spikes which they had to remave also. Which to me sounds like the nest was intertwined with the spike, suggesting that it was secure there. And letting it stay there for 9 years and then just ripping apart there home is completley unfair. just my opinion

Slannesh · 12-10-04, 12:16 AM

I think relocating the nest instead of just destroying it would have been a better PR plan, but many species of raptors won't touch a nest again that had been interfered with by humans.

There's a family of some type of hawk that lives in Downtown Calgary and nests in several of the buildings... I do believe that they are an endangered species so their nests can't be moved... just an interesting sidenote.

Removing the nest i'm sure was the result of multiple complaints and probably a couple of threatened lawsuits. Yes, it sucks that they destroyed the nest after 9 years but remember that there were no eggs or chicks in it. The hawks will just rebuild elsewhere so it's not some big ecological disaster that some people are making it out to be. As for the danger of falling debris, keep in mind that even a small object falling from a height can do some pretty major damage. Now i'm sure a twig falling 12 stories probably won't kill anyone

But something a fair bit bigger could easily render someone unconcious or dead i'm sure.

~editted for spelling

Will · 12-10-04, 12:29 AM

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There's a family of some type of hawk that lives in Downtown Calgary and nests in several of the buildings... I do believe that they are an endangered species so their nests can't be moved... just an interesting sidenote.

Peregrine Falcons, I believe....

noname · 12-10-04, 01:17 AM

Wow...people astound me. First of all, for whoever said that the city was no place for animals...darn right! But who was here first? Mother nature certainly did not create high rises, and paved streets. I think, given that WE are the ones invading their territory, that it is our responsibilty to protect the animal population, and give them the respect that they deserve. These people clearly lack empathy and compassion...I don't know who I'm more sad for, the hawks, or these obnoxious businessmen/women.

djc3674 · 12-10-04, 01:27 AM

The problem here is the way it was handled. I mean these hawks were flying around for a while totally confused as to where the hell their home went. Imagine taking an overnight trip, you come back home, your about to pull in the driveway but low and behold a f**ck*n tornado took out your home. What a terrible feeling that must be. These hawks felt something similar.

They should have done something long long ago. I mean carcasses didnt just start falling from the sky after nine years. I can understand having to prevent injury (if indeed there was that kind of potential) but it is quite clear there wasn't much of a plan in place before they just destroyed the nest.

Slannesh · 12-10-04, 01:40 AM

There is such a thing as over empathizing as well.

I really doubt that the hawks were distraught over their home being destroyed like a person would be. Look at almost any fire victim who has insurance... is it the bigscreen TV they care about? Hell no. It's the photo album from their wedding or Grandma's necklace that got left to them in the will. I'm sorry but animals just don't have that sort of attachment to physical things like humans do.

Sure they're doing the hawk equivalent of "WTF is my house?!?" But i'm sure before long they'll be building a nest elsewhere and by this time next year they'll have long ago forgotten about the other nest.

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Oh and Will, I think yer right.. Peregrine Falcons sounds correct.

djc3674 · 12-10-04, 02:32 AM

......directly from the article!

"They're circling around and around," said Lincoln Karim, 43, one of the hawks' many champions. "They are frantic. They keep landing on the spot where the nest was."

Ofcourse they do not feel the exact same thing as humans do, but obviously they felt like something was terribly wrong. That was the hawks home for a very long time.
Obviously, I was over emphasizing, but only to put it in terms that us humans can relate to. Believe me, I am far from the green environmentalist, tree hugging type of person, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the hawks (quite beautiful I may add) were treated basically like the bums on the street in NYC.

J.J. · 12-10-04, 03:22 AM

Aww... a tear fell from my eye.
I love hawks.
Bastards....

Slannesh · 12-10-04, 03:34 AM

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"They're circling around and around," said Lincoln Karim, 43, one of the hawks' many champions. "They are frantic. They keep landing on the spot where the nest was."

And i'm sure Mr Karim is an expert in avian behavior as well.

I agree that outright destroying the nest was a crappy thing to do, but as I said in my other post it's entirely possible that this is a species of hawk that won't touch a nest that has been relocated. Not to mention that a 50 square foot nest is roughly 8' across. Not really the sort of thing you can move in 1 piece off of the side of a building.

Do I feel sorry for the Hawks that I they have to build a new next? Yeah, of course I do. Is it some major tragedy that a probably common bird nest was destroyed and they have to relocate? Not really. I'm sure trees with birds nests or squirrel dens get chopped down all the time, there's no big public outcry then is there?

Could the situation have been handled better? No doubt. But should they have gone to the time and expense of hiring a large crane and closing down 5th Ave NYC for several hours to move a 50 square foot nest? Come on let's be a LITTLE realistic