PITBULL ban is happening today

[Shad0w]

CDC is the Centers for Disease control

http://www.cdc.gov/

They are at the forefront of SCIENCE period!

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is recognized as the lead federal agency for protecting the health and safety of people - at home and abroad, providing credible information to enhance health decisions, and promoting health through strong partnerships. CDC serves as the national focus for developing and applying disease prevention and control, environmental health, and health promotion and education activities designed to improve the health of the people of the United States."

[Kimo]

actually bob, all those points you just made, are infact also positive points, and one of the reasons this breed is what it is, and i will refer to one point said, "Not recommended for most people" therefore the problem obviously isn't in the breed, but in the measures of controlling, who obtains the breed, you the advocate for the banning of this breed, have proved for all of us against the ban, what we've been saying all along...punish the deed, not the breed, anyways... still waiting on those figures for the two breeds and attacks.... anyone? ... Please?

Josh

[Kimo]

or are we by ourselves Bob? lol

*puts up his dukes*

lets settle this mono et mono bub! outside, in the playground after school!!

Josh

[Kimo]

oh bob, i was afraid you were gonna say them... to bad, no dog community recognizes there supposed scientific data as fact... and every orginization that the CKC and AKC do recognize, prove that these two breeds are not human-agressive...ahh well lol

[Shad0w]

LOL.. I think we are by ourselves

Lemme direct you to the countless studies the CDC has done with regards to dog bite / attacks...

Over and Over again, they show Pitts as the #1...

Here is one such example:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

Just go to www.cdc.gov and do a search for Dog



My point thus far...
These dogs might be great if pure bred and in the right hands.. but hybrids and in the wrong hands = disaster... easier to ban the dog than police people...

[Invictus]

Interesting. So now, anyone who has a different opinion is a hate monger, or is basing their information on FEAR?

Josh, you need to look past the end of your own nose and realize that you don't have the FACTS any more than anyone else who supports the ban does.

Julie, you seem to use the word "ignorant" in this thread a lot. Maybe the time has come for you to see past your own ignorance, as you as simply ignoring the fact that in MANY cases, the owners are COMPLETELY responsible (such as my old friend whose pit bull mauled a kid), and that blaming the people is just as ignorant as banning the breed. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them ignorant. I am well aware of the fact that pit bulls CAN and often DO make excellent pets. The issue here is not the likelihood of an attack, which you seem to be debating tooth and nail - the issue is the amount of damage done compared to other large breed dogs when an attack DOES occur. By then, controlling the animal, or discussing whether or not it should be banned is MOOT. The damage has been done, and now someone needs plastic surgery.

So Josh & Julie - I am not basing my opinion on fear, it is not based on ignorance, and it sure as hell is not based on hate mongering. I think all pitbulls, rottweilers, dobermans, and german shepherds should be banned in cities simply because I have seen, with my own eyes, what happens to some of these dogs,even with the most responsible owners on earth. I would appreciate it if you two would look at your own statements and realize that the "blanket solution" is just as bad as your "blanket labelling" of the people who oppose your opinion. Please don't insult my intelligence again by calling me ignorant or hate mongering.

Thank you.

[Kimo]

ok i checked it out and they said one thing that shuts down their findings... Pit bull-TYPE dogs, meaning any short haired, of medium size build dog (wich by the way is the genral consensus of every major dog group on the face of the earth, but funny how they couldn't label it as breed specific? ie. American Pit bull Terrier, and American staffordshire Terrier? the verdict? these two breeds are as safe as any other breed...next please? :P

Josh

[marisa]

The bottom line is this in my opinion....and this goes no matter which side you agree with...

ANY dog can bite. My boyfriend pointed me to an article last night about a Pomeranium (sp) who mauled and KILLED a baby...Pit Bulls kill people, German Shepherds kill people, labs have killed, rotties have killed....TONS of breeds have killed people.

That we can all agree on, ANY dog can kill.

But what I don't agree with is ignoring one of the two main components in a dog attack, the dog, and it's owner. You remove the dog, but allow ignorant, foolish dog ownership to continue. There are still no muzzle laws for cocker spaniels, rotties, or any other dog. Only Pits. This makes 100% NO SENSE! These bad owners can easily go out and purchase a Border Collie to beat on which will in turn bite someone, which means another breed banned? LOL This cannot go on forever.

The government needs to STOP the easy clean up and START making ALL dog owners get a license. Not the normal one. It should be ANYONE who wants ANY breed of dog must take a class, just like driving a car. You must be educated, licensed, then you can own a dog. Removing breed after breed will do nothing but take away our rights and freedoms to own dogs, and eventually other animals. Start putting responsiblity 100% ON PEOPLE.

Marisa

[Shad0w]

Well said Invictus

[Kimo]

Invictus, the only one insulting your intelligence is you... it was a general label applied to any, in fact i think i supported you at the begining of this thread, however that is beside the point, and once again i find myself in agreement with you, you just stated thatits the owners fault...i agree 100% i support strict laws in regards to this, and ANY breed of dog, i do not support a ban of any breed however. Take that as you will.

Josh

[Shad0w]

Josh, I totally disagree with you... LOL

The CDC's studies clearly state pitbull's... over and over again...
So you are playing on terms...

Josh.. while yer at it.. why dont you get your dog fixed? I mean you do agree we have to stop back yard breeders and strict laws right??? Be a leader and get your dog fixed



Marisa,
I cant agree with you more... we need more rules for dog owners period... like licencing, screening, mandatory neutering/spaying.... Stop the backyard breeders...

[marisa]

Actually it IS true there is no Pit Bull.....but also true that anyone using that against or for the ban is just playing with terms.


One thing I am curious about....does anyone know what Ontario plans to do with the thousands of Pit Bulls and Pit mixes currently in shelters? Can they adopt them out? Will they be putting down thousands of dogs? Or are those currently in shelters going to fall under the grandfather? Or?

Also, does anyone know how they plan to deal with dogs whos genes cannot be confirmed? I.E. A lab who looks like a lab but might be part pit?

Marisa

[Shad0w]

Marisa,

I heard they will not be allowed to adopt them out... thats why the Humane Soc. is against it.. they will all have to be destroyed.

[marisa]

Wow. That's terrible.

While I wish sometimes the shelters would just do a mass kill to help prevent more and more unwanted puppies and kittens, I am finding it hard to swallow that the government is actually going to simply destroy 1000's of dogs.

I am really conflicted on that.

Marisa

[Invictus]

Josh - If you think I blame the owners, you did not read my post.

I said, that even the most responsible owners on earth have had their pit bulls just snap one day, and there was NOTHING they could do about it. I do believe, based on things I have seen with my own eyes, that pit bulls are dangerous and should be banned.