PITBULL ban is happening today

[Tim and Julie B]

That's just it, where is the real discussion. All the anti-dogs people want outright bans, INSTEAD of finding viable solutions. Anti-dog people have swept things under the carpet to avoid educating themselves on both sides of the fence. I am FULLY aware of the strength of these types of dogs, I HAVE read all the bad with the good, but am intelligent enough to know that a ban is nothing more than a big bunch of BS swept under a tiny little rug.

The issue is getting old? Wait a minute, you started the thread!

Julie

[Tim and Julie B]

(what was so "elegantly" left out)-

*by no means are these dogs people-haters or people-eaters
*the american pit bull terrier is a good natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet, which is good with children and adults
*it is usually very friendly, but has an uncanny ability to know when it needs to protect and when everything is okay
*excellent with children in the family, they have ahigh pain tolerance and will happily put up with rough childplay
*as with ANY breed they should not be left alone with unfamiliar children
*a minimum of training will produce a tranquil, obidient dog
*when properly trained and socialized, this is a very good dog an a great family companion

[Matt_K]

http://www.deviantart.com/view/11454716/

Before you guys post again, please watch this video..

[Shad0w]

Yeah I did start this.. didnt I? LOL

Hey.. Im all up for a friendly debate...

But its just not cool when people get personal and start labelling others hate mongers and anti semites... etc just because one holds an opposing view...

I mean Im sure that opposing views deserve respect...

Dispite the fact that Im for the ban, I still respect you guys that are against it...


Matt, saw the video the other day... didnt do much for my opinion... I dont deny that people are at the heart of the problem... be it hybrids... selectively breeding and encouraging agression... etc.... mostly propogated by those that are looking for that bad boy image...

In general.. I think the public has a right to safety....

Dont blame those that are for the ban... blame those "bad boy image people"

And you cannot deny that there is a problem that needs to be dealt with.. no one should have to die because of a domestic dog attack...

[RFB]

That has to be the absolute stupidest thing I've heard yet. Comparing this to Hitler and the extermination of the Jewish people. Now that is just downright ignorant and uncalled for and insults the memory of those who died in the holocaust. You're starting to sound likwe a PETA supporter.

[Tim and Julie B]

I can't believe what people can do to animals. I can't imagine my dogs being treated so horribly. People are to blame for the misunderstanding these dogs receive.

Have any of you who support the ban even tried to find out how many of these wonderful dogs have died at the hands of human cruelty? Have you tried at all to obtain stats on the number of attacks that have been provoked by people trying to cause aggression? You'd be amazed at what you could learn, if you choose to.

Julie

[Shad0w]

Besides... You could look at the ban in a positive way... Not only would it prevent attacks on the public.. but its going to make it hard for someone to own a Pitt for the wrong reasons... Id rather the animal not have to suffer under the cruel hand of a keeper that wants to fight it...

[Tim and Julie B]

No one should lose their child, friend or the likes to a drunk driver either. Far more people die at the hands of drunks than dogs, thousands more. But, what do we do? We don't blame the vehicle or the bar they get drunk at. The PERSON is held responsible, and should be in any situation. Banning a breed is sweeping things under the carpet. It's ignorant. Making something "invisible" is NOT a solution to anything.

Julie

[Shad0w]

I never said a ban was the ideal solution.. but its the easiest way.... You are never going to change people.. there will always be bad guys out there...

[Tim and Julie B]

Well shadow, great point I think that no animal should be "easily" obtainable. That's why there should be laws in place to help the public deal with this rationally. ALL dogs should have to be registered. It's the responsible thing to do, like sending your kids to school No dog should be free. Every life has value, but giving away animals takes their value away ( and I do not mean monetary value!!!) and incites mistreatment. Just because something is free, does not mean it should be abused. Please help to protect animals, not persecucte them. It will take time, effort, patience and yes money, but we should do things right the first time. If we continue to sweep things away, we will some day be faced with it all crashing down on us.

Julie

[Tim and Julie B]

Easy solutions always fail.........and the animals will pay the ultimate price. It makes me sick.

Julie

[Shad0w]

Well Julie... dispite the fact we are on opposing sides... the debate with you has been invigorating and interesting this eve...

Im out for the nite... Nite Nite... and CyA!

[Jeff_Favelle]

But, what do we do? We don't blame the vehicle or the bar they get drunk at. The PERSON is held responsible, and should be in any situation. Banning a breed is sweeping things under the carpet.

The reason is because banning a breed of dog has ZERO effect on the economy. It just affects a handful of people that like that breed of dog (and any subsequent breeds that get banned). If you close down every single bar and ban all motor vehicles, how will that affect the Canadian economy?

[mykee]

Maybe we are "saving the pittbull" by banning it. Seeing as how people are clearly the root of the problem, with the dog definitely being completely without blame, rather than banning stoopid people, and come on, 75% of the population falls under this category IMO, the "Powers that Be" have decided to ban the breed, to "protect" the dog from the stoopid. They have also saved the lives of countless other dogs and people who would likely have become victims of stoopid people. I'll be at the next "save the pittbull" rally, with a sign that says, "Save the pittbull, ban them". Haven't stoopid people given them enough of a bad reputation?

[Kimo]

actually as far as i am concerned the "hitler" thing is a perfect comparison, it was one man, whos predjudice scarred the world, i by no means agree with what he had done, no more than i agree with the scarring that will happen to the province when you take this breed away. Granted Shad0w, i by no means meant to label you as a "hate monger" this was placed towards the individuals whom dont have any factual input to offer, however i still beleive your fear is greatly misconceived...i know you yourself were the victim of a dog attack, as was i, however, mine was suffered at the hands of a great dane... at the tender age of 10....this is a dog i could have ridden like a pony. And to this day, the only breed, i will safely turn my back on, is an American PitBull Terrier. to those of you, who are "on the fence" in this debate, or to those of you whom are lobbying for the ban, i suggest picking up a great book, that is based on scientific FACT, and statistics and is in no way biased in anyway shape or form, It's called "The American Pit Bull Terrier Handbook" published by Barrons, and wrriten by Joe Stahlkuppe. You yourself Shad0w have told me you have researched this breed, however i believe that it was based on your fear, and past experiences, as you havent said an iota of good things about the breed yet. For those of you who actually do pick up the book, i wouldn't be surprised if within a few weeks we all saw pics of your new APBT. But dont take my word for it, i urge you to go out, pick it up, and judge for yourself.

Josh