Amazed at what I saw at the pet store today.... - Page 3

Brock · 08-22-04, 09:24 PM

No Wade, don't shut up, just don't act out of line when it's unneccessary. By all means, defend yourself, but don't just go negating what everyone is saying.

They're martyrs, I would say, because as a chameleon dies, one does more to accomodate the future chameleons. On top of the fact that it pisses people like us off and we try to do something. You can't say that chameleons being kept 10 years ago in pet stores were better off than the ones today. I've noticed an amazing improvement in reptile awareness simply because lots of people are pissed off that they are dying and that pet stores are losing money and reputations so they try harder....sometimes.

I guess death says something that words don't need to.

-Brock

dank7oo · 08-23-04, 07:14 AM

But thats the problem. When one dies in a store, most probably just put another in its place, without fixing the husbandry.

Jason

panther_dude · 08-23-04, 09:00 AM

Yes thats exactly what im trying to tell these ppl dank. No one really wants to listen though. They will also raise the price on the cham they bring to make up for the dead one.

I had an experience with a local wpg pet shop that was not very fun. I had orderd in jacksons and after waiting for 5 months they finally came in. Now the guy tried throwing me a bunch of garbage information to begin with. But when they finally came in in mid december, he told me that on top of the 600 I had already paid, I would have to pay an extra 700 that day. Well of course I went off the wall and told him to pretty much go screw himself.
Now my geusse is that because of the cold weather some of his shipment did not make the fligt. SO he decided to try and collect his losses from me. Well hell no I says. Anyways I didnt buy them so he sold them to someone who didnt know any better and ripped them off badley. I mean 1300 for a pair of jacksons come on now. ONly someone not knowing very much about chams would pay that much. Or someone with too much money.

This gets me to my second point of pet shops not giving a rats behind on who buys their animals as long as they have the money. As the case with jackson monumentouse, which were at a local pet shop. I went in one day and the reptile manager askes me how the jacksons are doing. I say "what the hell are you talking about?". " Well you bought them didnt you?" he replies with a stupid look an his face. SO i ask him you dont even know who bought them? Well No as long as they have the money and they bought like a 100 bucks worth or stuff to, the other reptile guy dint know anything about them so he just sold them to someone i geusse.

Well this really made me quite mad. $100 worth of stuff isnt going to get you very far. Especially with the prices at this store. Hey you never know they could have gone to a good home. But my gut feeling tells me the people say the little 10 inch jacksons in their 10 gallon at the store and prob thought that would be good for them at home. When in fact they need very specific cage requirments and humidity and such. So i dont really doubt that one of the most rarely seen jackson sub species is dead already.

Its really stupid and needs to stop
wade

latazyo · 08-23-04, 09:37 AM

I can't believe how much more jackson's are up there....they're like 29.99USD at pet stores here

I agree with most of your points wade...but it's hard to relate because the pet stores here including petco don't carry chameleons because both stores (petco and privately owned) have said that they can't provide or afford proper care for them

dank7oo · 08-23-04, 10:15 AM

Jacksons at $30.00? A little hard to digest but I guess anything is possible. I had seen them for about $70.00 US before (as the cheapest).

Jason

Kevin McRae · 08-23-04, 11:55 AM

Is it legall to bring jackson's across the border?

If I can find a cbb for those prices I would be interested.

Wade, it seems like people are starting to listen to you.

dank7oo · 08-23-04, 02:05 PM

I dont think it is, but after paying for CITES is becomes cheaper to just buy here.

Jason

Collide · 08-23-04, 02:15 PM

Sometimes i look at some of the cham sites US side and i cry "not fair" out of jelousy of your cheap prices. But on the other hand i dotn want to think of how many $30 jax would die here at that price being scouped up buy spontanious inexperienced buyers. Its a hard thing for me i want them cheap soo i can get more without draining myself but i want prices high to avoid stupid people from getting them.

nother thing is the cheaper the cham prolly means its WC. CB chams tend to be more expencive.

bear24 · 08-23-04, 02:20 PM

Most breeders that will ship from US to Canada ussually have a minumum order of $1000USD or more. This is before they even factor in shipping.

panther_dude · 08-23-04, 03:03 PM

Yes that is true they do require large orders otherwise paying the duty and a 100 dollar order will prob cost more then the reptile.
Thats great that they dont take in chameleons knowing fullwell they dont have the time or money to properly care for them. If only everyone thought like that. But really it doesnt cost that much more to properly house a cham. If you have the screen cages bought directly from the manufacturer, you should be able to get a good deal. I think it's the fact that it would take to much "time" to properly care for them. But really how long does it take you guys to spray down your cages a minute or two usually. Five maybe seven if your making sure they are drinking properly. Theyre just isnt enough knowledge at these places. I geusse it would be kinda hard to have employees specially part timers to learn how to take care of all the herps they have in stock.
This is why I sudgested that only breeders be the ones selling the herps. For a couple of reasons.
1. First of all they wouldnt have any babies if they didnt know what they were doing.
2. and secondly I dont think any breeders in their right mind would sell an animal to a potential customer that doesnt know the facts about the animals they are buying.

I know I went off the wall about banning herps completely and again im sorry. But I do think it would be proper to bann pet shops who do not properly care for their animals.

Also as with prices again, when I start selling my nosy be's my tag prices will be around 500 bucks. Now this is only to deter people from making an impulse buy. If they are really interested in the cham. they will have to go home do some research then come back to me for a quick quiz. If the test is failed then they will not receive the animal. If they do really well on the test as a bonus I will take 200 maybe 300 of the tag price. Now I know theyre will be people who will refuse a test and go elsewhere, to buy off someone who doesnt really care too much. To me this is fine as long as my babies are kept safe.

ANd yes I know CITIES is helping the importation of herps. But there are still thousands that die yearly do to improper shipping and handling when they get to their destinastion. It will take time but I know we can do better.

thanks for your possitve input guys. It really means alot to me.

wade

Collide · 08-23-04, 03:15 PM

When i was looking to inport it was more like a 3000 minimum + the cost of shipping (not that bad) + the cost of CITES paperwork (wich is costly and takes a long time) baically u need to import a fairly large amount of chams to justify such a investment and 99% of chanadian cham keeper are not in this position from what i see. just some thoughts

latazyo · 08-23-04, 07:52 PM

please don't stress your digestive system, dank, why would I lie?

they're usually 30-70 dollars, you could presume WC, but no way to know

dank7oo · 08-23-04, 08:49 PM

I dont recall saying you lied *goes back and reads his post* Nope. Definitly didnt say you lied.

Jason

latazyo · 08-23-04, 11:15 PM

easy

panther_dude · 08-24-04, 09:23 AM

lol I dont think either of you guys should be saying "easy" You guys are taking things way to seriously. It is quite easy to determine wc from cb. A simple check of fecal matter, if worms and other parasites are present it is more then likely a wc. Unless the breeder is absolutly horrible.lol
Other things to look for is scarring as most wc do get into more confrentations then cb. But this could also possibly come about by being shipped with cage mates. Anouther factor would be adult chams being sold for cheap are usually wc. As cb adults usually cost more because of the amount of time and food spent to get them to that size.
So you can determine if the animal is wc or cb.

Again guys dont ake all the comments straight to heart. And read carefully before you post.