Boa & Python Breeding together - Page 4

Matt_K · 08-13-04, 05:13 PM

Are there any pics of the boa?? I looked at all the pics with the exception of the imagestation ones, I have zero interest in signing up for something just to look at some pics.. Is it infact a boa??? Who knows anymore.. LOL.. This is interesting to say the least...

dave68 · 08-13-04, 05:25 PM

Someone's full of stinky brown stuff!LOL! Proofs in the pics bring em on baby!!

Dave

mk-ultra · 08-13-04, 05:45 PM

3 possibilities here .

1- You guys are the lucky owner of a really rare hermaphrodite burmese python ( would explain the fact that all of them are albino ) and that you guys really dont know how to incubate eggs .

2- Your burm came into contact with another albino burm at some point .

3- Its all fake .

Thats all there is to say .

If you are an honest person take that burm to a lab to have it checked out . Otherwise quit wasting everyones time .

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 06:24 PM

Well, the only thing I can think of is that it would be number 1. Do you know if there are websites or where to call to find a lab that does this sort of testing? (I don't want ot go to a normal vet).

To anyone who doesn't believe me, sorry, and as far as the incubation goes, you are right, we don't breed snakes, weren't quite sure what to do and the snake was so stressed when we took the eggs away, we got out the dead ones and gave them back to her so she didn't kill herself. Was it the right choice, maybe/maybe not, I wish they had formed better too, not our intention to breed deformed snakes.

Scales Zoo - THANK YOU! for being so nice, unfortunately, I will not remain a member of this site and I do feel bad for people who come here looking for help and get treated like an idiot, I was admitting I did not know what was going on. If you like, when we find a lab and get the testing done, I can email you and let you know what happened, it should be interesting...

Also, thank you to anyone else who was nice!

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 06:51 PM

I am updating the pictures too (there's one of the Boa) The snakes are a lot healthier today and now that they are moving around it looks like out of 21 eggs, we got 2 deformed (one severly and one with one eye) and 13 lived. THanks for everything!

Here you go

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4285922115

HeatherRose · 08-13-04, 08:00 PM

I'm surprised no one brought up what Invictus did sooner...I couldn't agree more.

Your boyfriend clearly is a moron when it comes to keeping snakes, two snakes from different ends of the WORLD can't be kept together like that. I'd try to be mature about this, but this is just too friggin dumb.

crocdoc · 08-13-04, 08:00 PM

Goopers5, that's the same photo again. We can't view your album without signing on to that photo hosting site, so you'll have to post the URLs for the individual photos as you have done in an earlier post.

Having looked at the photos of the babies, I'd agree with BoidKeeper that they are all just albino Burmese babies that have been incubated at an improper temperature, therefore the deformities. Nothing in their appearance would suggest boa influence, particularly the fact that they are all albinos, like the mother.

It is remotely possible that they are occasionally parthenogenic: ie capable of producing offspring in the absence of a male or when a male's sperm triggers the eggs to start developing without actually contributing any genetic material, which happens with some fish species.

I don't know if either of these situations have been recorded in pythons (there are some parthenogenic snakes, though, and many parthenogenic lizards). If parthenogenesis has occured, you wouldn't need to look at the DNA but simply count the chromosomes, for the offspring would have half the normal complement.

The offspring wouldn't need to be identical to the mother, for when females produce eggs they aren't identical to each other genetically. She has two alleles for each gene (being a normal female she'd have a paired set of chromosomes) and for each gene each egg can get either of the two alleles. Multiply this by the number of genes and the combinations and permutations are endless.

Having said all of this, I am personally very doubtful that this is a hybridisation between a boa and a python or that parthenogenesis has actually occurred. I'd be looking at that time you went on holidays and left the python with a friend who also has pythons, or the time your friend brought their python over to see how it would get along with yours...

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:01 PM

Well, what happened happened, now we are dealing with it... but thanks for your maturity in the situation!

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:03 PM

Thank you Croc, that's the type of help I was looking for! (not to get yelled at)

I really appreciate your help!

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:09 PM

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...3/f770431f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...2/f7704318.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...5/f7704751.jpg

Do these work?

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:13 PM

Or this?

Clownfishie · 08-13-04, 08:15 PM

I don't know if this will work, but as I was already an Imagestation member I was able to get in and view the whole album... so let's see if I can post the pics for everyone to look at.

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:16 PM

I think it worked that time, sorry, I don't go on forums usually so I am not used to posting pictures...

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:17 PM

THANK YOU!

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 08:20 PM

The pictures at the end of the album are today's where they are looking a lot healthier, they are snapping and everything! Moving all over, it is a very cool thing to see!