Boa & Python Breeding together - Page 3

Scales Zoo · 08-13-04, 03:26 PM

I can't see the pictures, but you seem sincere that something unexplainable has happened.

Email me at scaleszoo@saskel.net

I think I know a few people who would be interested in studying the baby snakes. There is someone trying to study female snakes that may have reproduced without being with a male, the other supposed case I've heard of was an albino burmese female I think.

Freeze any that have died - don't throw them away.

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 03:28 PM

Well, two responses:

1) You can think the pictures are modified, don't care, they are not.

2) Second, if this is SO unbelievable, what is the problem with keeping the two together, they were NOT kept together for this purpose in any way.

Basically, if this is such a "miracle" that is "impossible" I am thinking that a herpatologist or someone in the scientific field would want to know abou this. At least if something "impossible" happened in my field, I would love to know about it....

We do not breed snakes, this just happened, my boyfriend has had snakes since he was a kid, he studies them, and does know how to care for the snakes. So the babies that are normal will be taken care of, I am simply trying to see if there is anything to do for the ones that are different, if they need to be frozen, fine, but which ones do? Do you freeze the one with one eye, or is he/she going to be okay.

I understand everyone not believing me, trust me, you all are not the first since this happened.

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 03:31 PM

THANK you Scales zoo, I am emailing you now. THANK YOU!

Scales Zoo · 08-13-04, 03:35 PM

I'm looking forward to your email.

I signed up to that picture site, and they look like normal deformed albino burmese pythons - we have 7 just like them in our freezer.

Now, if the female has never been with a male burm in her entire life - these babies are still very interesting, and DNA testing should be able to see if the babies are clones of the mother, or if some male burm sperm found itsway near her at some point.

Ryan

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 03:35 PM

That is totally possible, if the female can lay fertile eggs w/o out being fertilized, then that would explain that more, we are assuming they mated, but maybe she had an immaculate conception?

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 03:37 PM

Unless when she hatched with the other burmese (9 years ago) I have no clue how snake sperm works... I am totally dumb when it comes to that area, but if it could survive 9 years?? THen maybe... I would like to find an explanation just like anyone else!

THANK YOU!

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 03:37 PM

I will be back later to submit more pictures, I am going there now, thank you for trying to help!

Goopers5 · 08-13-04, 03:43 PM

Also, sorry if any of my answers seem sarcastic, I don't mean them to sound that way, I am trying to figure this thing out... At this point, anything is possible I guess

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Invictus · 08-13-04, 03:53 PM

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We do not breed snakes, this just happened, my boyfriend has had snakes since he was a kid, he studies them, and does know how to care for the snakes.

WRONG. Your boyfriend knows NOTHING about snakes, or he would have known that one of those snakes is from South America, and one is from Asia. They DO NOT live together in the wild, and they SHOULD NOT be housed together in captivity. If your boyfriend knew the first thing about snakes, he would know that they are solitary animals. He would also know that any two snakes of opposite gender, if left together long enough, may copulate (if one doesn't eat the other first), and that's how severe deformities occur. He would also know that maternal incubation gives the eggs about a 10% survival rate, IF that. It seems that your boyfriend knows only what the snakes are called. Beyond that, he's as uneducated about proper care and husbandry as anyone else who houses 2 different species from 2 different continents together.

nicola_boulton · 08-13-04, 04:05 PM

well this post is VERY interesting.... looking at those pics, and after reading all 3pages i belive that these 2 differnt snakes have actually bred.
Amzing babies, please try posting the pics up in your gallery so you can show everyone, very interesting!

mykee · 08-13-04, 04:07 PM

"Yeah!" (standing behind Invictus swingin' arms wildly). The pieces of the puzzle just don't add up. If this is legitimate, it's unfortunate that it has happened to such an irresponsible pair of snake owners.

BoidKeeper · 08-13-04, 04:14 PM

I just looked at the pics and to me they look like nothing more then a clutch of albino burms that were incubated at the wrong temps which can and does affect pattern and caused deformed neonates. My guess is that you have a normal burm that is het for albino.
But like I said prove me wrong, or don't. Either way, and you can get offened if you feel the need to, but I and many, many other people will never belive you with out proff. As a matter of fact I would suggest that with out proff you stop wasting your time trying to tell people you did the impossible.
Trevor

Scales Zoo · 08-13-04, 04:23 PM

Trevor - they came to this site looking for someone who could help them figure out what the heck went on. With the welcome they got, I hope they still remain a member of this site.

If everyone who encountered something weird or hard to explain got told to quit wasting everyones time, science would never learn anything. There are some people who suspect that a few snakes have reproduced without sperm. Cooper25, with these snakes, might have proof of that with DNA of the snakes - they said it's never been with another burm since it hatched 9 years ago. The other albino burm was supposedly old too.

If a higher form of life like this has been able to reproduce itself, it is like something out of jurassic park.

Ryan

BoidKeeper · 08-13-04, 04:31 PM

Sorry Ryan but I think this is the work of a troll. I said prove me wrong.
Trevor

Dom · 08-13-04, 05:05 PM

There is NO boa influence at all in those babies... none what so ever ..

to me there was an albino male burm in the picture at some time or u're female did conceive witout any males (I doubt it but don't rule it out) .. DNA would be the only way to know ..

Although technically, all patterns would need to be identical but we all know incubation temps affect patterns and as we can obviously tell the incubabtion was next to horrible..

My opinion is freeze anything deformed.. anything alive that u think has a chance of survival, house like you would house any neonate burm and hope for the best .. Although .. I can tell u not many will make it .. they look like unhealthy regular albino burmese pythons to me ..

Just my though ..