Handling BCI's

[Oliverian]

Jesus... I'm glad we got that cleared up. I was thinking, he freehandles hots from his backyard and none of you care??!? Invictus, you're too funny.

Boaboy, we aren't usually this mean. (Well, sometimes) Most of us just don't want to see other reptile keepers dead, and more reptile bans put in place. I hope you give your head a shake after this and stop trying so hard to get yourself killed.
-TammyR

[tHeGiNo]

LOL...very true. You cannot get some types of insurance if you own a retriever (they make up the top reported human attacks in N. America). I also agree with the pitties agression towards other dogs, they weren't bred to be man-eaters, they were selectively bred for centuries to be loyal to their human companion, while highly aggressive towards other dogs. As with any animal, it becomes what you help mould it in to. I've yet to meet a pit that showed any aggression towards humans.

Why though? Because there are loads and loads more golden retrievers then pitbulls in North America. Also, people trust golden retrievers so they often to not hesitate to pet, etc. With the 'reputation' of pitbulls, I don't think there are many people out there willing to throw their hand in front of a pit and call him/her a good boy/girl. Thats why there are more golden retriever reports, not necessarily because they are more vicious or whatnot. By the way, I do not believe any dog is vicious really. It is generally the owners fault. Off topic, but aw well.

[djc3674]

First...I'm a female thus not your bro

ooops my bad. I didnt read your name before I responded.

Your points are valid, any breed of dog can bite someone. As I said before, the damage from a pitbull bite will far exceed that of a pug or even golden retriever. Those dogs possess a brut strength that can't be compared to most breeds. My friends pit that he had for years was very friendly to adults. He wasn't raised around kids. I stopped by my friends house with my son (I stayed outside). This dog saw my son through the window and went nuts. He totally wanted to rip him apart. The teeth were showing and he was growling vicsiously. I never seen him act like that before. Can you imagine if your friends daughter was bit in the face by a pitbull instead of a pug??? ***shivers*** It would of been alot worse than plastic surgery.

I have zero tolerance for a biting dog of ANY breed.

Yes, I agree if its a dog that bites for no reason and is very sketchy. Now on the other hand, my son was playing with our pug one day and he was way to rough, he was laying on top of him and the dog yelped and nipped his hand....so who's fault is it??? The way you tell these stories, you portray these dogs as viscious animals that attacked (which in some cases that may be true) but sometimes its not the dogs fault.

[tHeGiNo]

I have to point out something here...the smart owner will socialize their dog and make sure as many people as possible do pet their dog! If a dog becomes a man-biter it needs to be put down ASAP. Period. I get so sick of people saying that pit bulls are dangerous animals when they are not. I would rather have my 4 year old son around pit bulls than golden retrievers or any other breed of dog.

I'm sorry, but as a canine-lover, I must point out your crude ignorance here. Who are you to determine what should and what should not be killed? In 90% of the cases, it is the owners fault for the outcome of the dog. So why should the dog pay for the owners mistake? How about we put the owner down, and bring the dog to a psychiatrist? It really pisses me off when people have this attitude. Really.

[ChokeOnSmoke]

"I have another friend who had to have 56 stitches on the back of her leg from a chihuahua."

Must have been one crazy chihuahua.

[Oliverian]

Lol, yea. That's pretty brutal for a chihuahua. You'd think they could just take the dog off the leg and put him somewhere else. Was it her dog?
-TammyR

[Linds]

Originally posted by MajickSprings
I have zero tolerance for a biting dog of ANY breed.

I think understanding needs to be given to many animals, moreso than it is. I have one dog (long-haired JRT) that has bitten everyone in our family at least once, not because he is mean, but he spent the first 8 months of his life being beaten by both women and men, and having to fight for his food being a small dog amongst a large group of much more sizable animals (9). He is scared of a lot, especially once night falls. He doesn't like loud noises/voices, hoods, hats, anything on your head, even if its your own hand. He used to pretend to eat his food when he was younger, and now will gorge himself if given the chance. He is by far the most messed up dog, but this is because of bad breeding and a bad start in life, not his fault and I don't hold it against him. Now we do not allow him to play with children and other situations that could be risky, but we aren't about to kill him or disown him for it either.

Originally posted by tHeGiNo
With the 'reputation' of pitbulls, I don't think there are many people out there willing to throw their hand in front of a pit and call him/her a good boy/girl. Thats why there are more golden retriever reports, not necessarily because they are more vicious or whatnot.

Hehehe I don't know about that. All the pitties I've been around have always been treated by everyone like a big suck. True their are many more golden's, but there are also just as many other popular dogs out there. The majority of bites I'm sure are with children, not adults, in all species of dog attacks. I don't blame them either, kids are clumsy and grabby, and often inflict pain on animals in play or curiousity.

Originally posted by tHeGiNo
I do not believe any dog is vicious really. It is generally the owners fault.

Not vicious, but definitely some have more of a propensity to attack, such as Shepherds. Many of the dogs that are highly trainable are "dog smart", they do not think well on their own and excercise their own logic. Three grandparents, one great grandparent, my dad, and my uncle, have all been attacked by Shepherds on different occassions (never the same dog). They are highly protective of their owners and are often incapable of distinguishing true danger.

[MajickSprings]

Originally posted by tHeGiNo
I'm sorry, but as a canine-lover, I must point out your crude ignorance here. Who are you to determine what should and what should not be killed? In 90% of the cases, it is the owners fault for the outcome of the dog. So why should the dog pay for the owners mistake? How about we put the owner down, and bring the dog to a psychiatrist? It really pisses me off when people have this attitude. Really.

I am also a canine-lover and it's because I love my breed so much that I feel the way I do. I am not the only APBT owner who feels that way. Because Breed Specific Legislation is running so rampant through the world and banning the APBT from a LOT of places it is the responsibility of the APBT owner to make sure that man-biters are PTS. Ask any responsible APBT owner and they WILL tell you the same thing. I used to think the way you do....why blame the dog and not the owner? However because I would like to be able to continue having APBT's in my life for my lifetime it was important for me to change the way I look at man-biters.

[MajickSprings]

Originally posted by Oliverian
Lol, yea. That's pretty brutal for a chihuahua. You'd think they could just take the dog off the leg and put him somewhere else. Was it her dog?
-TammyR

They did try just taking the dog off the leg but the person trying to remove the dog from her leg got his hands bit up. They finally wrapped a towel around the dog to get it to let go but the damage was already done. It was not her dog. The dog belonged to her auntie. The dog had bitten other people before but nothing to that extent...all unprovoked. The dog was not socialized at all as she would lock the dog up in her room most of the time when people came to visit. The few times she didn't the dog attacked people Needless to say the dog finally got put down after this incident.

[BoaBoi]

Originally posted by Auskan
What happened to the concept of getting the cage all set up, temps worked out for cool/warm ends of the cage etc prior to even bringing the snake home?

The 422D Cage I ordered from http://www.theboaphile.com is HUGE, holds temps very very well. Good cerculation and perfect humidity at 67% which I try to raise to 80% or more during shed. Once again this cage is HUGE lol, but I love it. The boa looks sooooooo small in it, but it will hold him for life. Cost me $479.00 with the added features but Jeff Ronne also included an expandable end double heating and an extra light due to the fac that he had a cage premade basically like the one I ordered, GOOD deal for me. That was like $200 in free features. I want to get some reptibark for the bedding but for right now I'm using a towel, reptibark holds humidity awsome also.

James~