Not COOL! - Page 2

SD-SNAKE · 08-22-03, 08:49 AM

Why not try F/T???? because I breed my own rats. I would have to kill them to freeze them, plus I think my roomate would not like frozen rats in with the ice cream and tator tots lol. All I do is grap them by the tail and strike them on a hard corner aiming about neck area. take care Nick

mango · 08-22-03, 11:42 AM

I don't kill our rodents and hopefully won't have to anymore since she took a f/t mouse wednesday but my fiance thumps them. We haven't started on rats yet but I imagine we will use the bag or pillowcase method. I keep one alive but when we get live mice sometimes we just put them in the freezer in a baggie and they are dead soon after and that we don't have to see them.

Jo060 · 08-22-03, 01:50 PM

Yeah, I do the freezer method to the pinkies. But I kinda feel bad for older ones because the freezer freezes their blood and crystalizes (sp) it!

raebug2000 · 08-23-03, 12:14 AM

unfortunately ( or fortunately depending on who u are) we are all into exotics..... and whether we like it or not they require special needs. some of us have adapted those special requirements to our needs/tastes. however, to each his own, there isnt a wrong or right about it.
some of us feed live ( like myself, strictly supervised of course so no one but the prey gets hurt) some do FT some do FK.
however, i myself KNOW and understand that pythons ARE predators, just like house cats. They maybe be our babies or friends but they still have the instinct to hunt and devour. It's their nature. Its what they were made to do!

This came in to distinct clarity when the mouse I HAD in my kitchen met my ball python on the kitchen counter. ( i had put him there for a moments to soak and so on....the curious mickey soon had his curiosity satisfied and thus Osiris ( my big boy! ) made himself a better mouse trap than i have ever spent money on. :bugged:

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 08-23-03, 12:21 AM

JOE060:

Sorry but I only feed frozen thawed so not much help here.

You can ask the mouse or rat to simple play dead while the snake take a shot at it........lol

Sorry.

Cya...

Tony

Jo060 · 08-23-03, 08:11 AM

Hey Tony, I never thought of that

I'll try it... lol

raebug2000: Thank you and I might add that was very well written

Thats pretty cool about him catching that mouse.
Joe

Solid Snake · 08-23-03, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by mango
I keep one alive but when we get live mice sometimes we just put them in the freezer in a baggie and they are dead soon after and that we don't have to see them.

it takes mice 12 hours to die in a freezer and rats 24 hours... Its a slow and painfull death.:grumps:

Linds · 08-24-03, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jo060
Yeah, I do the freezer method to the pinkies. But I kinda feel bad for older ones because the freezer freezes their blood and crystalizes (sp) it!

Ouch... its a long, painful death for any rodent, no matter if its a day old pink or a full grown rat. For mice, pinky rats and small fuzzies I use a ziploc bag and wack them, for anything larger I use a pillowcase. Can't use cervical dislocation on pinkies as you've discovered.

reptilesalonica · 08-24-03, 11:34 PM

I made up a jar with 2 holes upon the lid. From these 2 holes comes out 2 hoses. One hose goes to the bottle with CO2 and one hose goes to a bucket with water.
I put the rodents in the jar, i secure the lid and i open the CO2 bottle. CO2 flows into the jar without any risk of explosion because the extra CO2 goes to the backet with water and NOT outside to the room.
I have a photo but it's home, now i'm at work. I can post it later.
~Greg~

MouseKilla · 08-24-03, 11:35 PM

Must agree about the freezing thing, that is the slowest way, though I don't know how painful (who knows, right?) The other danger is that the bigger guys, particularily rats, may tear their way out of the freezer bag if they aren't fully and totally dead. I've seen a rat I thought I had killed stand up and walk around in a cage several minutes later, you don't want that happening in your freezer especially if it also contains your food. I don't waste my time killing pinkies myself, they are no threat to any snake and they break apart so easily and make a big mess for such a little thing. Older rats need to be killed before you do anything with them, in my experience. I find swinging them by the tail hard to be accurate with and the bag or pillow case is sort of clumsy so instead I hold it by the tail and crack it on the back of the head, right at the base of the spine preferrably. I use a piece of 1x2 that's maybe a foot long or so. Be as accurate as you can be while using a good hard swing and follow through, hesitation will only prolong the agony for you and the prey. If you do it right it will kick a few times then stop moving. I've found that this may not mean it's dead but if your snake takes it soon after the prey will be incapacitated for long enough. If you miss hit however it can make a real mess so I recommend going outside or in the basement or hold it over a box, and don't wear white.

MouseKilla · 08-24-03, 11:49 PM

hahaha that thing sounds like a bloody rat bong to me! I wish I could see the picture but this archaic Mac I'm using won't allow it for whatever reason so I only have an imagined visual. Reminds me of being a teenager. My friend once built such a smoking device out of an aquarium with the fish still swimming around inside. I'm sure it was tasty, I wasn't gonna go near it myself. If you build one of those rat jars I would strongly suggest you don't inhale.

reptilesalonica · 08-25-03, 12:15 AM

Mousekilla, after all those posts for killing, killing and twiching and wachking...you must have the MouseKill Master Degree...

As for the Jar works fine for me.
Probably your friend was not so handy man

~Greg~

MouseKilla · 08-25-03, 07:16 AM

Well I can get the job done with my very unsophisticated piece of wood to the head method though I prefer to feed live when I think it is safe to do so. As for my friend in high school, he was very handy indeed but his goal was to kill his own brain cells, not animals. I think the fish lived as I recall. Maybe the same thing would work for rats, who knows? Get them really high and they'd be too lazy to defend themselves. I could try to track my friend down and have him modify your design so that you can replace CO2 with some stinky Canadian green stuff.

KingFfaj · 08-25-03, 09:54 AM

i feel sorry for the fish, i made my friend drink some bong water for a spliff once, he was sick quite badly.
Also there is really only two ways you should be killing rodents, CD (the best) then a whack two the head, unless you can make that device then dry ice is not practicle for most of us, and the bag method is not very accurate, and you cant tell where the rodent is hits the floor.

LurkerAccount · 08-30-03, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by mango
I keep one alive but when we get live mice sometimes we just put them in the freezer in a baggie and they are dead soon after and that we don't have to see them.

So what your saying is that you don't care how much they suffer as long as you don't have to see it, thats pretty sick, if your too lazy to kill them humanely, you could at least drown them....

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Must agree about the freezing thing, that is the slowest way, though I don't know how painful (who knows, right?)

Rodents are mammals and feel pain to the same extent we do, if you don't think its painfull, go inside your deep freeze and tell us how long you can spend in there before comeing out.