Stevie's got more problems.

little one · 07-29-02, 02:54 AM

Oh....the poor guy. This nightmare just doesn't end for him.

He was doing so well, and then tonight I noticed that he wasn't walking right. He was swinging his right back leg out but dragging it, so I carefully picked him up to take a look and see what was up. His vent was so red I thought he was bleeding!!!!! He started freaking out and doing the death roll, so I calmed him down and took another look and it would appear that he is prolapsing something. Given his recent history with the bacterial infection and the flukes affecting his colon, it stands to reason that his is part of his intestines.

I don't know how fast it's possible for me to get him to his vet.....I'm thinking Saturday might be the earliest (I hope not!).
There's not a lot of tissue prolapsing right now. I have soaked him in warm water and it did seem to help a bit. I have a couple of pictures, email me for them if you think it will help. I'm going to phone the vet in the morning......anything else I can do for my guy?

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 08:58 AM

The problem that Stevie is having is he's in the mood for love. It's not his intestines!! It's his *****. Soak him in a warm bath.

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 08:59 AM

the ******** out word is google berries.......

little one · 07-29-02, 10:52 AM

No, Beth. From his bout with flukes and the intestinal bacterial infection, his intestinal walls have been weakened and it's part of his intestines coming out.

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 12:07 PM

Sorry Little One, just received this from a friend of mine whom also is a vet tech, and with looking at this, seems Stevie has a penial prolapse. This is not his bowls. Soak him in water.

beth wallbank · 07-29-02, 12:09 PM

here is another copy of the pictures that came from Little One for all of those that can confirm the prolapse.

little one · 07-29-02, 12:14 PM

yes, I've been talking with the vet and with Candy from Reptile Rescue (she's an angel!!) and they both say that it is a prolapse of the INTESTINES caused from the flukes that he had when I got him. This is a common problem in leos that have been as sick as he was. I will deal with it and he will be fine.....just like I dealt with the flukes and the bacterial infection. Oh, and the prolapse went back inside last night after I had soaked him. I will deal with the rest of his problems too.
Feel any more inclined to honor the deal like you should?

ReneeB · 07-29-02, 12:32 PM

Little One I have some questions for you..

If Stevie is haven't so many problems and they keep coming back, why aren't you putting him out of his misery by euthanasia?

Why are you letting this leo you supposedly love so much suffer?

If he's got as many problems as you say he does, don't you think he's better off dead? Atleast that way he wouldn't be suffering.

Since he's so sick, he is not good for breeding. And if he's 'just a pet' then why are you making him suffer?

From the pics I've seen of Stevie, it is a hemi-penial prolapse. An intestinal prolapse is not that red, and would bulge alot more. It would also have a blackish colouring because if the semi digested food inside it.

deb748 · 07-29-02, 12:35 PM

Hey Little one, have you ever been to the RRR???
I'm not going to say that Candy isn't the little angel you think she is because I have no idea who she is but anyone who knows anything about herps and has visited the RRR knows that you shouldn't take their word on anything to do with the health of an animal!
I'm just going to dig for some pictures recently taken there. I'll post them when I find them. You may change your mind about taking their word on anything and take Stevie to a certified vet if you are concerned about a problem!

little one · 07-29-02, 12:58 PM

I don't need any of you telling me that it's been "confirmed"....I didn't lie about it! And the idea that you thought I did is a massive insult! The nerve!
And the audacity to suggest that I have my beloved animal put down because he's having successive problems is absolutely ridiculous and inhumane! How dare you! You should be embarrassed!
And to mistrust the woman that has done more good for Stevie than anybody else! Well!!! I have never met a bunch of more self-centered, egotistical, and self-righteous people in all my life. What an indignation! You people should all be ashamed of yourself for the words of "advice" regarding my sweet innocent little Stevie - who didn't ask for this and it's my duty as a caring and loving owner to do everything in my power to help him!

deb748 · 07-29-02, 01:04 PM

holy smokes... getting a little defensive just 'cause i suggested they may not know what they are doing... wait for the pics then judge for yourself!

little one · 07-29-02, 01:07 PM

I KNOW my QUALIFIED HERP VET and Candy who deals with this stuff ALL the time know what they are doing and aren't as insensative as you clods are. I am more disturbed by the "helpful" suggestion of killing him than of your offer to help through this other web site, deb. I wasn't going off on you, and I'm sorry if it looked that way. The insensativity hit me pretty hard...I couldn't do that to an animal unless it was the only option. It isn't here.
I have been talking to Dr. Upjohn...he's a qualified herp vet and he's been helping Stevie since he came to me with flukes. He knows the history and everything and from Stevie's history, it's an intestinal prolapse and not his hemipenes.
If there are any truly helpful suggestions, I am more than happy to listen to them, but I don't want to hear anything more about killing my baby. Please.

ReneeB · 07-29-02, 01:39 PM

wow someone's hyper defensive..

it was a personal statement.. I think stevie is repeatedly suffering and if he were my leo I'd give serious thought to what would be best for him.. really what kind of life is he having being sick all the time?

I've had to make this decision myself on a few pets I've had over the years and it's one of the hardest things to do, but if you like having your pets in pain and suffering repeatly then that's your personal decision. I don't feel that temporary 'fixes' at the solution, and actually make things worse in the long run.

little one · 07-29-02, 01:44 PM

ReneeB: I don't think I'm working at temporary solutions. You would be hyper-defensive too if it were your animal that you were trying to save and you cared about him like I care about Stevie. He came to me originally sick...that sickness had gone on long enough to cause these subsequent problems that must be dealt with before he can be as healthy as my other 6 leos. I am working at new problems that were created by the old ones.
I'm working at saving his life before killing him is the only option left.

deb748 · 07-29-02, 02:21 PM

This is one of many pics i have from the RRR.
I will post a few more also.
When we told the woman in charge of the place about this poor guy she took him out, looked at him quickly, said he's fine and put him back. Does he look fine to you???
Hopefully this works!