savanna lizard??? - Page 3

ReptiZone · 06-02-03, 04:25 PM

whate the heck do you mean down hill it took a few ppl to show this new herper that he was making a big mistake considering that animal in question yes we all had to pull out the big guns on this thread but the mesege was sent and recived I am happy that he chooses not to get the lizard yet in time he will be ready but not now.

you try teaching such a thing to some one that is passionate and determined to get the animal he wants just by saying nice things and saing that it will be ok and stuff like that I did what I needed to do to get my point across.

BallPython13 · 06-02-03, 04:36 PM

And you go your point across to me,and I thank you very much.You saved me fron alot of trouble!!!

ReptiZone · 06-02-03, 04:44 PM

no prob we are all in this together if I make a huge scrue up it will afect you in the long run like if i break the law with a reptile and a ban is place then you will suffer too if you need to go to where the ban was placed and so and so

Zoe · 06-02-03, 05:08 PM

Good to hear BP! You'll be very happy in the future

But actually if you are looking into monitors, I'd suggest you research black tree monitors or maybe peach throats and save some $$. They are stunning creatures and if you care for them correctly they will live long, healthy lives.

Katatonic - I'm not sure why you'd say that. No one is claiming to "know it all" in fact we're saying we don't, and what it would take to. I really don't see how you could classify convincing a herper not to get in over his head just because he saw a cute sav. at the store as a "pissing contest" and saying the site is going downhill. In fact, this is a rather positive outcome!

Zoe

ReptiZone · 06-02-03, 11:50 PM

Hey Zoe I think you and me both have seen a bunch of cute baby burm threads and teen herpers full of intusiasum but not know where to chanel there reserch.

I think this is the only one that turned out on a positive note
LOL.

NewLineReptile · 06-03-03, 12:59 AM

Good advice chondro python we no how it is having big reptile's
so ballpython13 i am glad you understand now what you would be in for i have 4 Burm's from 14 feet to 8 feet also some big Monitor's as well as a Savannah baby

here is a pic of a 5 foot Nile Monitor so you get the idea of what you would of been in for

and here is a baby savannah

ReptiZone · 06-03-03, 01:25 AM

sweet pic's man stop showing me pic's of that baby sav I almost baught this weekend for 40$ LOL J/K it just hachted on top of that but I hade no cage for a lizard yet so I got a Ball python for the lady of the house.

BallPython13 · 06-03-03, 12:06 PM

how is your ball python doing???

Colonel SB · 06-03-03, 12:17 PM

Damn that one sweet lookin nile.

eyespy · 06-03-03, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BallPython13
its ok I forgive you for being increibly rude but let me tail you this.my 2 red ear sliders are 4 years old and 5 inches long and doing great.My tree frog is in a temmperary enclousure,my angels are not even an ich long yet,my ball python is on ly 15 inches.So a pet rock is to easy for me.Can someone realy help me?

It's nearly impossible to detect developing liver or kidney disease in reptiles until the disease hits the critical point where they go downhill very fast. Your frog and turtle may seem to be doing fine but they are not getting enough fresh air exchange or clean water in enclosures of that size.

Red-eared sliders are very prone to kidney infections and stones when kept in tanks with too little fresh clean water and excellent filtration. Bare minimum requirements for sliders include much larger tanks than yours for 1 animal and I notice you have 2!! You need a 20 gallon tank for one freshly-hatched RES.

How many filters are you running? Do you have a cannister filter? Most of the filters you see in petshops for tanks under 75 gallons are nowhere near powerful enough to deal with all of the wastes sliders produce.

You might think they are doing fine but you've already signifcantly shortened their lifespan by forcing their kidneys to filter out too many toxins.

Please do not get another animal until you have remedied the housing of the ones you already have.

V.hb · 06-03-03, 05:59 PM

Zoe, what do you know about black tree monitors or peachthroat monitors? If you live by this like you stated above.. "Definition of experience: Active participation in events or activities, leading to the accumulation of knowledge or skill." I Dont think you're taking your own advice here.. Both species have steep requirements also, and cost considerably more then savannahs. Plus have way worse dispositions and require a significant amount of time to calm them down. (not so much black trees, they tend to be nicer) Their humidity and caging is just as difficult as a savannah.. I dont recommend posting advice on something you know nothing about. No offence, but seriously think about it.

Black trees and most peachthroats come with internal parasites and all sorts of fun. Not a problem for experienced keepers, but ballpython is obviously a younger herper; So, by telling him to purchase one of these species, he would most likely end up with a WC animal. (judging by his frequent pet store mentions) I mean come on now, hes keeping sliders in a small tank and thinks a 4 year old slider is healthy at 5 inches? What makes you think that hes going to know how to care for a sick wild caught skittish animal. No offence to Ball Python here, you're asking questions and thats fair enough.. Improve on your current collection before you even consider anything else, none the less a monitor of any type.

Iam not gonna knock a kid over this, knock his parents. Not too many new herpers start off as experts, they need some guidence not harrassment. Some good advice was offered to him here, but there was alot of unnessecary garbage too.

On another note, I too started very young with herps. I had NILE monitors as one of my very first reptiles. However, I had the help from my parents and my father who is quite good at constructing enclosures, and at the time researching the lizards for me before purchase. I don't really feel age is a factor here, its more so the guidence involved. Any new herper young or old needs help from somewhere.

JeffT · 06-05-03, 05:04 PM

All I saw from this thread is yet ANOTHER reason why young people into reptiles are getting such a bad name. Chondro you had a lot of good points, believe me! but you really generalized us ( meaning young people ) a lot, but really I dont blame you. Too many thigns like this have been happening and people are starting to look down on us. Im 15 next month, have a job , and I ONLY buy an animal when I know I can support it financial needs and can provide best possible housing. However there are just too many people who dont take these same precautions.

Jeff Terborg

Colonel SB · 06-05-03, 07:07 PM

I must say Jeff I've been working in the pet indusrty for 7 years now and young ppl like yourself are the exception not the rule, you have no idea hoy many teenagers I've said no to because they've wanted a big constrictor...Just a point if 3 grown men can barley handle a full grown reitc or burm then what makes you think a 13 year can do it by himself? I don't think anyone under the age of 18 should owen a Burm Retic or Afrock. Thats jsut my 2 cents.

JeffT · 06-05-03, 07:12 PM

Thanks

Zoe · 06-05-03, 07:14 PM

V - actually, I researched them quite extensively when I was looking getting one. I never ended up doing so as I got into boids instead. Yes, of course they have strict requirements that must be met, hence "...if you care for them correctly...". ANY monitor requires correct care to survive, and if he's going to get into monitors he'd be better off with something smaller than a huge savannah. By "save some $$$" I meant save it up, as opposed to save some money on the purchase. I am aware of the higher costs of black tree or peachies.