Herps you don't think should be kept as pets? - Page 7

Georgia · 07-07-14, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

In NYC Ball Pythons are banned and in NJ to own a Ball Python you need a permit. As far as only banning snakes to make money, my Endangered & Threatened license, Venomous license & Large Reptile license are free. Only my Collect & Possess license cost money. It is not about money, it's about the government controlling us.

Exactly. Its no secret. Control in EVERY aspect of our life is the goal. Venomous snakes our ofblittle concern to a politician. Theres way more to it than that. Ulterior motives.

StudentoReptile · 07-07-14, 06:04 AM

In Georgia, its illegal to own corn snakes [native species]. Is that not a ban?

Georgia · 07-07-14, 10:23 AM

In GA its illegal to own ANY Native Non-Venomous species.

StudentoReptile · 07-07-14, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgia

In GA its illegal to own ANY Native Non-Venomous species.

Well, exactly. I knew that. My point being, they do not care how popular the snake is in the pet trade, if they find a reason, they can and will restrict people's ability to keep it. And how freaking popular are corn snakes?

There is rumor they'll do it here in Alabama as well, much to my dismay. And people wonder why I take the PROACTIVE approach.

red ink · 07-07-14, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

In NYC Ball Pythons are banned and in NJ to own a Ball Python you need a permit. As far as only banning snakes to make money, my Endangered & Threatened license, Venomous license & Large Reptile license are free. Only my Collect & Possess license cost money. It is not about money, it's about the government controlling us.

Any of your licenses hinder you in any way from your hobby?

Do they have any benefit on a whole for reptile keeping as a hobby?

SSSSnakes · 07-07-14, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by red ink

Any of your licenses hinder you in any way from your hobby?

Do they have any benefit on a whole for reptile keeping as a hobby?

I can only keep my licenses if I perform shows and exhibit the snakes. The snakes on the licenses can not be kept merely as pets.

Georgia · 07-07-14, 09:56 PM

Yayyyyy thats sooooo much fun smfh.

Georgia · 07-07-14, 09:59 PM

How is that benefiting the hobby? Oh wait...its not.

StudentoReptile · 07-08-14, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

I can only keep my licenses if I perform shows and exhibit the snakes. The snakes on the licenses can not be kept merely as pets.

Can you clarify? If you did NOT perform public shows and exhibits, would you still require said licences just to keep said snakes in your home?

SSSSnakes · 07-08-14, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Can you clarify? If you did NOT perform public shows and exhibits, would you still require said licences just to keep said snakes in your home?

If I did not do the shows and exhibits, I would not be able to get the licenses at all. and not be able to keep the snakes. You have to have the licenses to keepthe snakes qand you have to have a reason to have the licenses. The 3 reason to have the licenses are, educational, exhibitional or scientific. You can not get a licenses to keep any of these reptiles as pets.

robertjnovak59 · 07-08-14, 10:47 AM

I think any legislation is ridiculous, the statistics dont back up the commonly believed conceptions about snakes. Pretty soon you won't be able to use a lawnmower without a permit. I dont know anyone with hots but I know a few people with giants, they aren't hard to find. Either they aren't that dangerous or the people that keep them are pretty responsible. Either way, there is no need to fix what isn't a problem. Until the numbers back up the claims, all reptiles should be legal.

Georgia · 07-08-14, 01:35 PM

Tyranny in its rawest form

**EL Ziggy** · 07-08-14, 03:38 PM

I believe people should be able to keep hots and giants as pets with proper training, a certified handlers license, and fair / sensible regulations. If you feel a rule or law is unjust then challenge it. That's a big part of the democratic process. With enough support you may even get the rule changed.

CosmicOwl · 07-09-14, 04:34 PM

Hmm... this thread drifted into some weird territory.

If you think that the government is banning reptiles to control the populace, I think you're overestimating the coordination of the government. Most of these laws are passed on a state level, and they're passed out of irrational fears from the general population. Or in the case of certain states, to protect native animals. If the "government" really wanted to exert control over us, restricting the ownership of reptiles is pretty far down the list of ways to accomplish that goal.

I suppose this is my fault for not being explicit in my original post, but I was talking about animal welfare. Hence why I brought up wild caught hots and alligators being kept in kiddie pools. We can argue all day or which animals we have the "right" to possess, but that's not the point. The question is, does owning these animals result in a positive or negative outcome? Do the animals benefit or suffer? What are the impacts to the environment should these animals escape? And so forth.

Jim Smith · 07-09-14, 05:09 PM

I think CosmicOwl is correct regarding the reasons for the restriction from keeping native species. The intent of the law is to protect the native animal populations, not to control people. Ask yourself, if people could collect wild caught specimens and sell them for good money, how much impact would that have on the reptile population. I live in Georgia and thus I can not keep any native non-venomous snakes. While I may like to keep some of them, this does not significantly impact me since I can purchase and keep any of of hundreds of other species available to me. As far as SSSnakes having to do shows and exhibits, I think that is a huge benefit to both the wild animals and the hobby. How often have you heard people making inaccurate and ignorant statements about snakes and why they kill every snake they find. That response is primarily due to ignorance. I believe that the shows and exhibits that Shane does helps educate people and very probably results in fewer snakes being killed and in fact introduces people to snakes in a different light that generates interest so that they may start keeping snakes as a hobby instead of listening to ignorant people spout off of why the only good snake is a dead snake. Requiring training and licenses to keep hots protects not only the handler (and family and friends) but also the snakes. If you don't think so, look at the record of the religious communities that use snakes in their services. The average life span of their wild-caught snakes is usually a couple of months at best. Then they're back out hunting for more to use until they die off. I'm not getting into the religious aspects here, only the lack of knowledge of animal husbandry which is ultimately hurting the snakes. Just one man's opinion.