37 killed from Marijuana - Day of legalization in Colorado

[Sharlynn93]

I can say my son has been tested dozens of times. I have taken him straight to the ER and demanded lab tests..nothing but pot ever showed up...I wasn't posting to start a huge debate about my son...I thought this was a "personal viewpoint" thread so I offered my opinion and why...so I may be the only non-pot smoker on here, and the only person against it, but thats my viewpoint and I don't plan on changing it...sorry...do I think you all are wrong? No...you have your feelings and opinions and I have mine...can we please leave it at that? Im being made to feel like you all think I am a fool for having personaleliefs on a controversial subject...or for believing all the lab tests that say nothing else was in his system...yes it was large amounts of cash. I do know that even as young as he is, he was dealing. More than just pot. We found texts and emails. I dont know what he did with all that money but I do know that the weed he has been caught with was analyzed and I was told it was the highest quality stuff you can get...even the cops around here had never seen any of it in their other busts...still trying to find out where it came from...

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Sharlynn93

I can say my son has been tested dozens of times. I have taken him straight to the ER and demanded lab tests..nothing but pot ever showed up...I wasn't posting to start a huge debate about my son...I thought this was a "personal viewpoint" thread so I offered my opinion and why...so I may be the only non-pot smoker on here, and the only person against it, but thats my viewpoint and I don't plan on changing it...sorry...do I think you all are wrong? No...you have your feelings and opinions and I have mine...can we please leave it at that? Im being made to feel like you all think I am a fool for having personaleliefs on a controversial subject...or for believing all the lab tests that say nothing else was in his system...yes it was large amounts of cash. I do know that even as young as he is, he was dealing. More than just pot. We found texts and emails. I dont know what he did with all that money but I do know that the weed he has been caught with was analyzed and I was told it was the highest quality stuff you can get...even the cops around here had never seen any of it in their other busts...still trying to find out where it came from...

Don't think anyone here is attacking you Sharlynn, hope you don't feel that way. We just have different opinions as you yourself said.

However, marijuana is illegal yet your son still got it. Why keep it illegal for responsible adults who want to use it? That's my main question.

If my son runs over a person should cars be illegal for responsible adults who want to use them? Should people need to deal cars illegally on the black market and have them controlled by gangs/cartels? Or should cars be regulated like they are now?

The thing is, those who use cars in that case would have to be criminals, just like marijuana users of today. If we legalize marijauna, people who use it don't need to worry about breaking the law.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Don't think anyone here is attacking you Sharlynn, hope you don't feel that way. We just have different opinions as you yourself said.

However, marijuana is illegal yet your son still got it. Why keep it illegal for responsible adults who want to use it? That's my main question.

If my son runs over a person should cars be illegal for responsible adults who want to use them? Should people need to deal cars illegally on the black market and have them controlled by gangs/cartels? Or should cars be regulated like they are now?

The thing is, those who use cars in that case would have to be criminals, just like marijuana users of today. If we legalize marijauna, people who use it don't need to worry about breaking the law.

Should pot smokers be forced to take a class on how to safely smoke weed? Should they be required to take a test so they can have a license to smoke weed? Should their license be revoked because they did something stupid and dangerous on weed? If their license was revoked should they face criminal charges and fines if caught smoking without a license?

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Should pot smokers be forced to take a class on how to safely smoke weed? Should they be required to take a test so they can have a license to smoke weed? Should their license be revoked because they did something stupid and dangerous on weed? If their license was revoked should they face criminal charges and fines if caught smoking without a license?

1. No because I don't think you can dangerously smoke weed..unless of course you are smoking weed next to a gas tank.

2. No, why would they need a license? Driving a car without practice can cause a driver to hurt other people. Do you need practice to smoke weed?

3. No the stupid and dangerous things would be crimes on their own. If you smoke weed and kill someone you go to jail for murder, not for smoking weed.

4. No comment because I don't believe in needing a license to smoke weed. Just an age limit like alcohol and tobacco.

[Mikoh4792]

Again, you guys don't need to like "something", but why would you want it to be illegal for others?

I don't have a gun, but i believe other people should be allowed to have guns.

There are plenty of things that I don't like, but it should still be LEGAL for others to do "something" responsibly.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

1. No because I don't think you can dangerously smoke weed..unless of course you are smoking weed next to a gas tank.

2. No, why would they need a license? Driving a car without practice can cause a driver to hurt other people. Do you need practice to smoke weed?

3. No the stupid and dangerous things would be crimes on their own. If you smoke weed and kill someone you go to jail for murder, not for smoking weed.

4. No comment because I don't believe in needing a license to smoke weed. Just an age limit like alcohol and tobacco.

I just used your car comparison and apparently you truly feel they are nothing alike...... So maybe come up with another comparison.

One of my workers just got fires because he smoked a joint on his lunch break the ran into some warehouse racking with a power jack hard enough to crumple the leg and shower boxes on an employee on the other side.

[formica]

MJ laws where not enacted to protect people, they where part of an orchestrated attack on South American and Afro-Caribbean people in the US and the UK, the laws are part of a racist heritage that our nations should have dealt with long ago.

You can read the debates from the senate of the time for yourself, they where puplished not long ago; the unbelievable language and absurd claims made about Cannabis, for eg that it made ''Negro's rape white women'', that it sent people into ''criminal insanity'', made them like Jazz Music and behave like animals...well I'm sure it will make you feel somewhat sickened by the true roots of Cannabis prohibition. Similar despicable statements where made in the UK house of commons. The very word Marijuana, was itself a slur on Hispanic societies.

Cannabis laws where never about protecting the people, they where just another part of the racist agenda of the powers that existed at the time, and unfortunately still do exist

No drug is good for you if you take it all day every day, if you do that, then you need to understand why you need to do that, if you want to understand what the real cause of the problem is....the drug taking is simply a symptom, you can remove it, but it doesnt actually solve the problem, even if it may make life somewhat easier to deal with.

people should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, thats what it comes down to, and those that are addicted should be offered medical help, not criminalized and demonized

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I just used your car comparison and apparently you truly feel they are nothing alike...... So maybe come up with another comparison.

No they can be alike and different when compared correctly.

For example alcohol and marijuana are both drugs. However one can be consumed dangerously while the other would be near impossible to be taken dangerously. It depends in what context you are comparing two things.

If someone's kid smokes marijuana and happens to be a troubled person, does it mean other people should not be allowed to use marijuana? I know people who use marijuana and do not steal.

If someone's kid runs someone over does it mean others should not be allowed to drive cars? I know people who drive cars and do not run people over.

However if cars and marijuana were to be legal, why would people need to take lessons or have a license for marijuana? In this case the two are not alike. You would need to take lessons and have a licence to drive cars because that's something you need to practice in order to drive safely on the road next to other people in cars. You do not need to practice how to smoke marijuana. Just roll a joint, pack a bowl and light it up.

It depends in what context you are comparing two things.

One of my workers just got fires because he smoked a joint on his lunch break the ran into some warehouse racking with a power jack hard enough to crumple the leg and shower boxes on an employee on the other side.

He did this after he got fired?

[TheFrogman]

All I'm saying is, I think Pot Smoking should be legalized in every state !

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

I see no difference between weed and booze myself. It amazes me how we socially accept one drug but the denounce another. There is not much difference at all. I have heard of people doing crazy stuff and stealing for meth, smack or blow but not for weed. I can't imagine smoking $1000's even if I smoked all day everyday. I don't use prescription drugs or any of the above but if weed was just the first in a list of abused drugs, it would have just been something else.
Sorry you have went through this but I think there is more issues here than smoking pot.

imo alchohol is much worse than weed mate

imo the worst a stoned person will do,is get the munchies and eat all your food

a drunk person imo is capable of anything,i know you get happy drunks,but you also get violent,trouble causing drunks

imo alchohol causes a lot of problems in society,especially here in Scotland,where BINGE drinking is a national past time,yet governments sit back and count all their money made from taxation,making criminals of people for smoking weed

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I get where you are coming from Shaun and as far as medical marijuana goes I wouldn't say a peep about that but how do you feel about recreational morphine use? Morphine is definitely a great medical tool but recreationally I'm against it.

Now all legalizing it will do is drive up the prices.

Anyway my stance on recreational drug use really isn't what I hold others too. It's my belief and my standard and it's what I try to live my life by.

morphine is a whole different matter,as is any of the hard drugs like,meth,cocaine,etc

the effect weed has on society is very little,where as Morphine/Heroin wrecks whole communities and familys

the only thing i partake in is a few doobies

everything else legal or illegal i stay away from

re your standards Kevin
i understand and RESPECT your standards my friend,as they are the exact SAME standards i taught my kids,and i'm proud to say,they follow them

cheers shaun

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

morphine is a whole different matter,as is any of the hard drugs like,meth,cocaine,etc

the effect weed has on society is very little,where as Morphine/Heroin wrecks whole communities and familys

This is what I was getting at by saying it depends on how you compare two things. Morphine and Marijuana are both "Drugs" but they are different and do different things.

Morphine should still be legal, as should any substance(yes including all the bad ones like crack and heroin). Making it legal doesn't make it any easier to get, people will just no longer be criminals for doing what they want with their bodies.

Between freedom and security which will you choose? I will choose freedom because I'm not stupid enough to go out and get heroin or crack just because they are legal. However if someone wants to make that choice I have no right to stop them.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by formica

MJ laws where not enacted to protect people, they where part of an orchestrated attack on South American and Afro-Caribbean people in the US and the UK, the laws are part of a racist heritage that our nations should have dealt with long ago.

You can read the debates from the senate of the time for yourself, they where puplished not long ago; the unbelievable language and absurd claims made about Cannabis, for eg that it made ''Negro's rape white women'', that it sent people into ''criminal insanity'', made them like Jazz Music and behave like animals...well I'm sure it will make you feel somewhat sickened by the true roots of Cannabis prohibition. Similar despicable statements where made in the UK house of commons. The very word Marijuana, was itself a slur on Hispanic societies.

Cannabis laws where never about protecting the people, they where just another part of the racist agenda of the powers that existed at the time, and unfortunately still do exist

No drug is good for you if you take it all day every day, if you do that, then you need to understand why you need to do that, if you want to understand what the real cause of the problem is....the drug taking is simply a symptom, you can remove it, but it doesnt actually solve the problem, even if it may make life somewhat easier to deal with.

people should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, thats what it comes down to, and those that are addicted should be offered medical help, not criminalized and demonized

^^^^^
i have read all about that and its nuts mate

the Amercan government contradicted itself regards cannabis,they put out propaganda,saying it would make black people violent rapists and after that they said it would make Americans so laid back,they would'nt care and do nothing if Communists were walking through their gardens.....

after all that crap,they made it illegal


cheers shaun

[Sublimeballs]

I can say my son has been tested dozens of times. I have taken him straight to the ER and demanded lab tests..nothing but pot ever showed up

Sharlynn I hope you don't feel anyone's attacking you. This is one of those subjects were passions will run high(pun not intended) on either side of the fence. As for the tests just about only marijuana stays in the system over 2-3 days. Not at all trying to say that he's on other things just wanted to point this out as it'll aid a point ill make later.

I feel that legalization is truthfully the only option for our nation. I'm gonna go ahead and state that I don't smoke at this time(stupid adult responsibilities). Our country is in the crapper financially. The USA has more people in prison than any other nation in the world(more then double the #2 Israel, and they've got actual problems over there with terrorism, etc..). The majority of these are due to marijuana related crimes, there's at least a few bucks saved in taxes. The multi-billion dollar a year joke of a drug war; maybe if they weren't focusing attention on pot they could, idk, go after REAL drugs. They can tax it. It will create jobs not just the wave of dispensaries that would pop up all over the nation, but hemp could be grown by more than just the people that managed to jump through the hoops, and have the right friends to get permits to do so. Therefor factory jobs to turn hemp into various products/farming/ transporting/executive side to it, you get where this is going. This would also help with the uncontrolled production of pot as hemp plants don't produce buds to smoke but reproduce with the plants that do(canabis sativa and indica) making them less potent and less desirable then the controlled pot you'd buy legally. I imagine it would also help with the problems with the Mexican drug cartels as there wouldn't be the same demand. Not to mention the revenue pot would produce to be used for so many things. It would also allow for advancements for its medical use. Recently they completely cured skin cancer with marijuana. Look it up. I can attest to the medicinal aspects of it as my GF had cervical cancer that completely disappeared from smoking(she received no treatment and its gone). she also has asthma and is allergic to inhalers. Pot is the only thing that helps(it opens the capillaries). Drug testing for the work place almost exclusively test for weed as other substances don't stay in the body as long; more money saved. I can't speak for other countries but here in America were having horrible problems with synthetic canabiods(fake weed/spice as it commonly called) that are sold as not for human consumption to anyone over the age of 18. These are various herbs that are sprayed with a chemical that matches our canabanoid receptors in the brain(for those of you that don't know the active ingredients in marijuana are very closely related to a chemical that naturally occurs in the brain, endocanabanoids, one of our natural stress reliefs.) these chemicals are dangerous and only exsist because pot is illegal. the government bans one compound while 10 others are produced. legalization would put an end to the dangerous substances. I also feel that if the taboo of it being illegal were removed it might be less commonly used by the youth. I could go on and on when it comes to this subject, but it doesn't matter as the propaganda the government has put out for decades has worked. When marijuana is seen under a different light we can advance as a species. Okay, I'm done with my rant.

[Sharlynn93]

I know other drugs only stay in the system for short periods of time...that is why I took him to the ER when he would come home in his "states"..there were times that he was very violent and making death threats, punching holes in walls, etc...I was concerned about bath salts, etc...but nothing showed up but alcohol and weed...he apparently can't tolerate either one...its getting him to stop that is the problem...he also had ADHD and ODD...can't keep him on meds until he gives up the drugs anf alcohol...tried a few different ones and he had reactions because of his abuse issues...I couldn't call off work to stay home with a sick kid, but I couldn't leave him alone because he snuck out to get more...his PO will now not allow him to be medicated because he has a substance abuse problem and they are all controlled substances...fighting a losing battle and I feel even more helpless since he now doesn't live with me...