What are your thoughts on mixing localities/subspecies? - Page 2

StudentoReptile · 08-26-13, 04:54 PM

Personally, I'm against it, for reasons others have already pointed out. In the end, its all an attempt to make something with a higher price tag.

But....[sigh]...people are gonna do what they want, so all I can hope is for them to be upfront and honest on what they put on their pricetags.

...but not everyone does.

Mikoh4792 · 08-26-13, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Personally, I'm against it, for reasons others have already pointed out. In the end, its all an attempt to make something with a higher price tag.

But....[sigh]...people are gonna do what they want, so all I can hope is for them to be upfront and honest on what they put on their pricetags.

...but not everyone does.

I agree with you that a higher price is a reason for it many times. However what about people who don't sell them for higher prices? For example I am looking at many Green tree python crosses sell for $300 and BCI crosses for cheaper or the same than they would go for if they were pure locale specimen.

StudentoReptile · 08-26-13, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I agree with you that a higher price is a reason for it many times. However what about people who don't sell them for higher prices? For example I am looking at many Green tree python crosses sell for $300 and BCI crosses for cheaper or the same than they would go for if they were pure locale specimen.

I would wager that some people finally got the idea that mutts don't always sell as well as the pure stuff. Mind you, this is only my opinion. I don't really follow the GTP or the BC markets.

smy_749 · 08-26-13, 06:15 PM

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I would wager that some people finally got the idea that mutts don't always sell as well as the pure stuff. Mind you, this is only my opinion. I don't really follow the GTP or the BC markets.

GTP mutts actually sell very well, depending on your definition of a mutt. If just unknown lineage of mixed locales is a mutt, than it'll only sell for high price if its visually stunning. However, if its a mutt with known history/genetics, these often sell for more than pure localities.

Mikoh4792 · 08-26-13, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

GTP mutts actually sell very well, depending on your definition of a mutt. If just unknown lineage of mixed locales is a mutt, than it'll only sell for high price if its visually stunning. However, if its a mutt with known history/genetics, these often sell for more than pure localities.

Even then, it's only locale crossing. Nothing like mixing subspecies such as jungles to irian jayas. I wouldn't call crossed GTP's mutts.

smy_749 · 08-26-13, 06:27 PM

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Even then, it's only locale crossing. Nothing like mixing subspecies such as jungles to irian jayas. I wouldn't call crossed GTP's mutts.

I don't really know what were are talking about, I just skipped to your last comment and students last one. I don't know what we are calling 'mutts'. I will say that keeping subspecies pure and keeping localities pure are both important to me, subspecies being a bit more for obvious reasons.

exwizard · 08-26-13, 06:58 PM

My definition of a mutt is mixed locales of the same species or outright hybrids. Someone else's definition may be different but that's what I mean. To me, a pure Irian Jaya or Coastal is far more valuable than a "X" of any kind. The same goes with Boa locales. I would much rather have a pure Suriname BCC or even a pure Colombian BCI than a mixture of the two or any other mixing of South American Boas of any type. Problem is that there has already been so much mixing that it's more rare to find a pure specimen than to find a mutt and that to me is sad.

shaunyboy · 08-27-13, 12:03 PM

imo crossing Carpet Pythons have created some of the best looking snakes on the planet mate

imo looks wise,you cannot beat a high quality Diamond Jungle Jaguar

that said,a pure Diamond or high quality pure Jungle takes a bit of beating as well

as long as people are honest about their snakes lineage,then go for it

cheers shaun

exwizard · 08-27-13, 12:18 PM

Like I said, go for it if that's your thing. It's not for me.

smy_749 · 08-27-13, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

imo crossing Carpet Pythons have created some of the best looking snakes on the planet mate

imo looks wise,you cannot beat a high quality Diamond Jungle Jaguar

that said,a pure Diamond or high quality pure Jungle takes a bit of beating as well

as long as people are honest about their snakes lineage,then go for it

cheers shaun

I agree about crosses, but if we don't preserve the pure localities and subspecies as well and make sure enough people are producing those, eventually every carpet is going to be a mutt and you won't have the option to create jungle x diamond or diamond x coastal or whatever because we won't have any more pure snakes to work with...

exwizard · 08-27-13, 01:15 PM

..Exactly!

KORBIN5895 · 08-27-13, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

I agree about crosses, but if we don't preserve the pure localities and subspecies as well and make sure enough people are producing those, eventually every carpet is going to be a mutt and you won't have the option to create jungle x diamond or diamond x coastal or whatever because we won't have any more pure snakes to work with...

Really? I assume you mean we wont have have pure ones in the states because I'm pretty sure oz won't be running out anytime soon.

smy_749 · 08-27-13, 04:24 PM

Sorry Thats what I meant. Not for species preservation, just that we wont have them here in the hobby.

red ink · 08-27-13, 04:57 PM

Morelia spilota sp are not distinct - DNA wise.
The difference is morphological and geographical, taxonomically Morelia spilota are considered to have sub-species. My state governing body have just recognised sub-species this year. Previously apart from Morelia spilota spilota the rest of the carpets are Morelia spilota variegata with morphological/locale differences. Diamonds are carpet by the way....

franks · 08-27-13, 05:05 PM

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Really? I assume you mean we wont have have pure ones in the states because I'm pretty sure oz won't be running out anytime soon.

It is a legit concern. For instance, Hogg Island Boas come to mind. They are pretty much extinct in the wild, and only a small handful of people keep verifiable pure bloodlines. They sell their pure Hoggs, but then people out-cross the babies anyway. If you want a certified pure Hogg Island Boa there are only a few reliable people you can purchase from. That is one example.