Lets try this again...here are my pets

[EL Ziggy]

Thanks for the information BA, I dont doubt your knowledge and expertise and I'll have to do more research on your theories.

[B_Aller]

Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

Thanks for the information BA, I dont doubt your knowledge and expertise and I'll have to do more research on your theories.

Thanks, I really am not trying to be an ***, I just care about animals in captivity and want to help improve our overall understanding of them, I think keeping (some)animals in captivity can be a really cool way for everyone to be involved in learning and sharing, but we need to get the basics down so we can move forward as a community.
Best.
Oh, and they aren't my theories, not even close.

[Amadeus]

Definitely theories....

[B_Aller]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

Definitely theories....

O.K Amadeus, seeing as you would like to demand that everyone else provide detailed explanations of their advice, but are only willing to offer up snarky insults and questionable insight,
how about we turn the tables on you.

You dismiss my information, do tell us then, does moisture attach to heat?
Does heat rise? Is this a theory or is it called convection?

Are reptiles designed to retain both moisture and heat, or is this a theory?

Are there 100's of studies done on the evolutionary design modifications of reptiles from the fossil record forward, or is it just guesses as to how and why their physiology is the way it is?

Is the statement that reptiles have a home and it's IN something true and verified through peer reviewed scientific research, or is this a theory?

Is the amazing success of keepers and breeders who practice this type of husbandry a theory?

What about the fact that this information has been out there and utilized by animal keepers all over the globe with fantastic results for years, is that a theory? Could those results be demonstrated?

Are you just threatened by critical thinking or is that a theory of mine?

Are you a part of the problem, promoting antiquated husbandry practices or a part of the solution?

Before you ask me another question, answer these.

So yeah.. you are right modern reptile husbandry is just a theory......kinda like gravity....just a theory.
Ben Aller

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by B_Aller

O.K Amadeus, seeing as you would like to demand that everyone else provide detailed explanations of their advice, but are only willing to offer up snarky insults and questionable insight,
how about we turn the tables on you.

You dismiss my information, do tell us then, does moisture attach to heat?
Does heat rise? Is this a theory or is it called convection?

Are reptiles designed to retain both moisture and heat, or is this a theory?

Are there 100's of studies done on the evolutionary design modifications of reptiles from the fossil record forward, or is it just guesses as to how and why their physiology is the way it is?

Is the statement that reptiles have a home and it's IN something true and verified through peer reviewed scientific research, or is this a theory?

Is the amazing success of keepers and breeders who practice this type of husbandry a theory?

What about the fact that this information has been out there and utilized by animal keepers all over the globe with fantastic results for years, is that a theory? Could those results be demonstrated?

Are you just threatened by critical thinking or is that a theory of mine?

Are you a part of the problem, promoting antiquated husbandry practices or a part of the solution?

Before you ask me another question, answer these.

So yeah.. you are right modern reptile husbandry is just a theory......kinda like gravity....just a theory.
Ben Aller

GETTUM ! [He will have a response for it though lol don't get your hopes up]

[B_Aller]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

I was going to pm you but I figured incase others are wondering the same thing I should ask publicly.

What is your view on belly heat vs over head heating in enclosures, and back heating in rack systems?

Weird, I answered this last night but it's not up, maybe I screwed up somehow,it was late, and I was drinking.

Don't want to go off on another tangent but I'm not a fan of racks, took the fun and soul right out of the hobby in my opinion, but let's leave that for another day.
I'm mainly an overhead heat guy, I prefer to use banks of lights for heating as it's just super easy to tell if they're working or not. But...I do use under and side substrate heating for several applications and I use many different types of heater in the exhibits I build ( some work great, others...not so much) so it's not that cut and dried.
For the smaller set ups I prefer overhead, easy to tell if it's on, easy to adjust etc...gotta run out of time.
Best

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by B_Aller

So yeah.. you are right modern reptile husbandry is just a theory......kinda like gravity....just a theory.
Ben Aller

Yep I know. I'm always correct.

[B_Aller]

Originally Posted by smy_749

GETTUM ! [He will have a response for it though lol don't get your hopes up]

Hey Sammy,
It's not about "getting" him it's about trying to "get through"
Obviously people like Amadeus and the O.P are lost causes and not worth wasting time on, but if you notice a few posters with the ability for cognitive thought were at least exposed to some new information and MAYBE will even look into it further, those are the people we hope to "get through" to.
Our hobby is in serious trouble and not long for this world if we don't shape up quick. 99% of the public doesn't care if we can own reptiles, most think we shouldn't, and when you see set ups like the O.P's it's hard to disagree with them. As a community we have to progress, and fast or we are going to lose our rights.
Forget about the slow minds and just keep putting good info and support out there, as well as showing a better way and we MIGHT be able to retain our right to keep animals in captivity, but it's going to be tough, and judging by this type of thread, there is still so much work to do. This was the first thread I read on the enclosure board, couldn't even get past the first post without seeing horrible antiquated husbandry promoted in 2013...scary and sad. I'm a bit apprehensive to even view other posts in this section!
Best.
Ben

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by B_Aller

Hey Sammy,
It's not about "getting" him it's about trying to "get through"
Obviously people like Amadeus and the O.P are lost causes and not worth wasting time on, but if you notice a few posters with the ability for cognitive thought were at least exposed to some new information and MAYBE will even look into it further, those are the people we hope to "get through" to.
Our hobby is in serious trouble and not long for this world if we don't shape up quick. 99% of the public doesn't care if we can own reptiles, most think we shouldn't, and when you see set ups like the O.P's it's hard to disagree with them. As a community we have to progress, and fast or we are going to lose our rights.
Forget about the slow minds and just keep putting good info and support out there, as well as showing a better way and we MIGHT be able to retain our right to keep animals in captivity, but it's going to be tough, and judging by this type of thread, there is still so much work to do. This was the first thread I read on the enclosure board, couldn't even get past the first post without seeing horrible antiquated husbandry promoted in 2013...scary and sad. I'm a bit apprehensive to even view other posts in this section!
Best.
Ben

Wow you somehow turned basic husbandry discussion into the "we need to help stop our rights being taken away" BS. Get over yourself and stop acting like you are the savior of our hobby and everybody must listen to you or our hobby will die. gtfo

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

Wow you somehow turned basic husbandry discussion into the "we need to help stop our rights being taken away" BS. Get over yourself and stop acting like you are the savior of our hobby and everybody must listen to you or our hobby will die. gtfo

I'm starting to realize, you very rarely, if ever, post anything useful on these forums. I guess thats what people who have no knowledge about the subject do, just criticize the other side because its easier?

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by smy_749

I'm starting to realize, you very rarely, if ever, post anything useful on these forums. I guess thats what people who have no knowledge about the subject do, just criticize the other side because its easier?

Yep and you are the god-king of reptile knowledge and from now on I will deffer to you before I post anything which might misconstrue what you think.

[lady_bug87]

Alright boys time to roll'em up and get them back in your pants...

[franks]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Alright boys time to roll'em up and get them back in your pants...

Smy has got a point however- He does comment on many threads, rarely with the intent of helping the op, or responding to the issues relevant and being discussed. (my two cents at the risk of promoting another pissing contest)

I think one of the biggest road blocks to our hobby, one that may not be able to be overcome, is that our hobby in general is progressed by the breeders. Most breeders have a goal of productivity and profit, and are not overly concerned with creating the best possible environments for their animals.

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by franks

Smy has got a point however- He does comment on many threads, rarely with the intent of helping the op, or responding to the issues relevant and being discussed. (my two cents at the risk of promoting another pissing contest)

I think one of the biggest road blocks to our hobby, one that may not be able to be overcome, is that our hobby in general is progressed by the breeders. Most breeders have a goal of productivity and profit, and are not overly concerned with creating the best possible environments for their animals.

Example? I'd really like to know.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Alright boys time to roll'em up and get them back in your pants...

I just let mine hang down low, get some air nom sayin?