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04-12-13, 01:06 PM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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Honestly, it cant get any easier or more humane than cervical dislocation, in my opinion. I had never tried it until Korbin kept on about it again and again, but its so quick and simple I cant imagine ever doing it any other way now. I suppose if you are talking about 50+ rodents it would take too long, but for just a normal amount it is very quick and requires no chemicals, chambers or anything. I just place the tongs over the back of the neck, pull the tail with a good yank and its over. It severs their spinal cord so they cant feel pain, and they die very quickly.
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Any way you could post a video on how you do it? I'm more of a visual learning person and find I'm much more comfortable trying something if I can watch it being done first. I would like to give it a try at least once to see how it works (as I really dislike feeding live).
Also, what would the best way be to kill gerbils? I wouldn't think the method you use for mice/ rats would work for them as I've heard their tails are quite fragile and can slodge off.
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04-12-13, 05:42 PM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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04-12-13, 09:01 PM
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Re: Killing Live prey
One of the other members (dinosaurdammit I think?) here made one on a feeding thread awhile back. Anyone remember where that was?
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04-13-13, 04:47 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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Very informative. Thank you for posting that. It does seem like a very quick and painless way to go about it.
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04-13-13, 04:57 AM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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pillow case method: place rodent in old pillow case, hold by end, SLAM against the side of the counter, over in a flash.
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I just grab em by the tail... quick swing on the a brick job done...
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04-13-13, 06:19 AM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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I just grab em by the tail... quick swing on the a brick job done...
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That's how I do it too but u have to do it a few time too get it right ...
To soft and u don't kill the poor beast and that wud b cruel
To hard and it's messy ... 
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04-13-13, 06:33 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
Call me insensitive, I must be "hardenened" but I quit really concerning myself with the rat's feelings at it's moment of doom. The end result is the same, it's about to be eaten. A dead rodent is a dead rodent, regardless of how it got there.
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04-13-13, 06:38 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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Call me insensitive, I must be "hardenened" but I quit really concerning myself with the rat's feelings at it's moment of doom. The end result is the same, it's about to be eaten. A dead rodent is a dead rodent, regardless of how it got there.
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Insensitive ...
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As long as its actually dead ... Surely u must show some compassion .... If someone was to feed a sav to a larger monitor would u care if I smashed it against a rock and it wasn't dead and it was in pain for 10mins before being eaten ... I am also quite cold and insensitive but still respect all animals life and suffering .... And no animal shud b made to suffer wether it is going to b eaten or not ...
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04-13-13, 06:43 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
OK, granted, I do not "get off" watching my animals eat.
But I view nature for what it is, did the BBC camera men step in and euthanize the water buffalo, or did they allow the Komodo to do it's natural method of feeding?
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04-13-13, 06:46 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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OK, granted, I do not "get off" watching my animals eat.
But I view nature for what it is, did the BBC camera men step in and euthanize the water buffalo, or did they allow the Komodo to do it's natural method of feeding?
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That's in the wild ..... ??? Ur enclosure is not the same environment .... A captive environment is completely different .... 
Surely u must understand ur 4 walls is not the wild not shud I b compared ....
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04-13-13, 06:58 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
Your right, but we are holding these animals captive against their wishes for our own personal amusement, that's why it's called "captivity"...
Why supress their natural instincts and behaviours just because they are locked in a box?
Are people euthanising roaches?? Locusts??
Who are we to determine what life forms are worthy of an "honorable consumption" and what life forms get to be eaten alive?
My primary concern will always be weather or not the food item can harm my reptiles.. not the other way around.
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04-13-13, 06:59 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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That's in the wild ..... ??? Ur enclosure is not the same environment .... A captive environment is completely different ....
Surely u must understand ur 4 walls is not the wild not shud I b compared .... |
I'm all for doing things the 'humane' way. But I wouldn't call the plague, extinction of native species, and whatever other disasters humane, so rats aren't high on my 'treat humanely' list. I can't actually think of another animal I dislike with the exception of rats.
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04-13-13, 07:02 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
Now now 749, I hold no hatred for rats, I love my rat colonies, they are beautiful animals. The social structure is fascinating to watch, and I treat mine like pets.
But at feeding time, they are food.. I have to detach the "pet" title and feed the reptiles.
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04-13-13, 07:07 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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Now now 749, I hold no hatred for rats, I love my rat colonies, they are beautiful animals. The social structure is fascinating to watch, and I treat mine like pets.
But at feeding time, they are food.. I have to detach the "pet" title and feed the reptiles.
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I feel the same its an odd sort of detachment when it comes to dispatch time...
i will admit to keeping a black and white rat called rocky cause i couldnt bring myself to perform the deed...
Think its cause i named him...
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04-13-13, 07:10 AM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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Now now 749, I hold no hatred for rats, I love my rat colonies, they are beautiful animals. The social structure is fascinating to watch, and I treat mine like pets.
But at feeding time, they are food.. I have to detach the "pet" title and feed the reptiles.
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I think everyone has a few animals they dislike, whether it be spiders, cows, bees, whatever. Mine is rats (not mice, only rats haha). I won't say I get enjoyment out of hearing one squeel or whatever (thats just creepy) , I've always fed frozen thawed just because its available and usually dont' have to do otherwise. But rats...do what you wish with them, no difference to me lol
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