Should giant pythons be kept in captivity? - Page 3

Xetox · 02-28-03, 03:08 PM

it does take a special person to care for them there intire life! I love mine would not trade him for anything but I also know alot of people in the local herp society that dont even want me to bring him to a show

marisa · 02-28-03, 11:34 PM

I am sorry ballpython5000 but in your posts its seems you have totally 100% ignored what others are saying. And I qoute: "my god this is an absession here at ssnakess. sorry to sound rude but the bulk of you are always condescending torwards young herpers saying that there is no way they should own a burm"

NO ONE said this. In fact most people are saying the opposite. Are you even reading the same thread? People are saying that they agree, SOME kids are GREAT snake owners even for burms BUT because there are many irresposible ones, it should be an adults job to purchase the animal and be responsible for it.

As for you saying "any of you thats over 30 make a plan for 6 months of all the things you expect to happen to you. then lets see if it worked out. many many things are gonna happen to you that you wont expect, and it does not only happen to teenagers. it happens to everyone"

Yep but do teenagers have a house? Even the ability to buy a house? Morgtage loan? Ability to get pet insurance, or a personal loan at a bank in case of emergency? Do they have a spouse who is able to support them and their snakes if they cannot? No. And BTW I am far more stable in MY OWN HOUSE than trying to raise a burmese python in my parents house, then trying to figure out either not to go to school or else get rid of the burm, or go to college hide the burm.

Now of course you will say what about the rich kids or the kids who are welcome to stay at home until college is over? Great. Thats true. But its a VERY small percentage! No one is saying everyone who is a teen can't own a burm BUT the FACTS are that many many people (including adults) who buy one do not keep it long or care for it properly. If adults can only do it sometimes when they buy a burm then why should this enormous responsiblity be allowed for teenagers to aquire?

You yourself are making my point. You are right even adults can't do it always...which is why it would be double hard to allow teenagers to also take on this responsibility.

Marisa

ReptileX · 03-01-03, 10:00 AM

well to throw a couple of more cents into the pot...i would like to say that all this is kinda makeing me wish i didn't get my burm,(still gonna keep it though) I agree mostly what Marisa is stating in that.. well i'm lucky that i do live on my own so that no one but me will make decisions for me in a case where a lot of people living at home, don't have as much freedome...i know ppl at age 23 still living at home so put age aside here....and what if this person loves there burm to death and is fully aware of the size and is able to care for it with out a doubt...and then dad or mom sezs its gotta go.what are you gonna do?? fortunatly i know a lot of ppl who have the same obsession with snakes as i do and i have people that would be willing to help me pick it up to move it when he is too big that i can't cause when a burm gets big..you do need more than one person to carry it...and that where i think age plays a little facter here or not even age but maybe size...i'm 5'7' and i know if in a cruch i am gonna need all my strenth!! so if your say 15...and your burm isn't co-operating not much you can do if your not that big...its like i saw yesterday...a rotwhiler takeing a 13 yr old for a walk

she couldn't control it at all...when it wanted to go it was gone...lucky for her it wasn't the type to turn on her.....but to end this i would like to just say that i believe anyone can care for a burm , as long as they have the space the people there liveing with know the facs! and that they have resourses they can rely on....
Ryan

BurmBaroness · 03-01-03, 10:31 AM

I'm sure there are some who are surprised that I haven't posted yet, but I have been without power. Also, if you have read any of my other posts, you know how I feel. Teenagers as a rule are 10 ft tall and bulletproof, and will listen to the advice of other, more experienced people, and then with a typical attitude, ignore that advice and do what they darn well please anyway. And what happens when they go to school, military, etc? Do their parents take care of this huge snake?? Not usually. It usually gets put down, or end up in a rescue. So don't tell me that it's immature to knock teenagers who think they are ready for a large python, cause the ones screaming "Immature" are the kinds of kids I'm talking about. I know that there are some who MAY be mature enough or responsible enough as a teenager to own a large python, but I do NOT believe they should. Yes, life changes all the time, but never more than in the years between 15-25. So stop saying that the older and more mature of us are being immature. You're the ones whose immaturity is showing.

Andy · 03-01-03, 12:03 PM

Im so sick of hearing the teenagers shouldnt own large snakes song and dance. Its a pile of bull crap. I am a teenager (only for like 2 more months) but a teenager nonetheless and your posts are becoming tiresome and bothering.

BurmBaroness · 03-01-03, 12:28 PM

I am not talking about ALL teenagers, just the majority of them. If you feel this is a personal attack on you, then I apologize, it is not. But I DO believe I have some valid points, and the there are lots of people who agree with me, as well as some who agree with you. I find this whole issue tiresome and bothering, as I can see the burm rescue population increasing with each post.

marisa · 03-01-03, 02:40 PM

Again another person who is apparently ignoring the posts or at least not reading them.

"Im so sick of hearing the teenagers shouldnt own large snakes song and dance. Its a pile of bull crap. I am a teenager (only for like 2 more months) but a teenager nonetheless and your posts are becoming tiresome and bothering."

Tell that to the people who have to pay for mistakes that both adults and teenagers make with large snakes. Tell them you feel its tiresome and bothering to read a discussion about it when they are at home caring for 10+ large snakes that people have dumped. THATS tiresome and bothering. I NEVER SAID teenagers shouldn't own the snakes. I clearly stated that a license should be made that a adult has to take resposiblitly. Sure the teen can own a burm but a co-signer or another adult should be present. There is a reason you need a license to drive a car....why? Because you have TO LEARN and its a deadly weapon when used incorrectly. JUST LIKE A LARGE PYTHON. That's a fact no matter how you look at it.

A pile of bull crap? So you are saying that all the incidents are lies? All the times both adults AND plenty of teenagers dump these animals is "bull crap" ????

Yeah o.k. everyone is wrong and lets let teens not only own 15 foot snakes, but also drink and gamble. Because hey, everything they claim that can happen is bull crap right?

Marisa

marisa · 03-01-03, 02:45 PM

Also

O.k. I have your opinion "its bull crap"

Would you care to please explain to all of us what you think its ALL bull crap? I am very interested in hearing a well thought out logical answer. Makes for better discussion. Thanks...

Marisa

ballpython5000 · 03-01-03, 03:22 PM

im getting a burm, so what. i know i can care for it. i know i wont dump it. and i know i have thought it out.
it took me like 2 months of constant considering to finally decide. my parents know how big it will get. they know i can do it. they have my back for financial support if it needs vets.
in fact my dad had just got done watching a tv show about burms killing humans on animal planet. and yet he still said ok.
they have set certain rules for it but i can follow those.
so you gonna tell me that im immature? that i cant handle a burm? that i will dump it? go ahead i dont care. im getting a burm and it will be cared for.

Andy · 03-01-03, 03:23 PM

First I wasnt replying to anything you have posted so why are you tearing apart what I have posted. Second, I am a teenager, and guess what I am very confident in the fact that I have as much experience and knowledge, and more ability to take care of a large snake that you do. Thats why it is bull crap. Dont lump people together.

ballpython5000 · 03-01-03, 03:23 PM

andy exactly she freaked out on me like i was aiming it straight at her

Andy · 03-01-03, 03:28 PM

Seriously just as many or more burms are dumped by people that arent teenagers.

eyespy · 03-01-03, 03:38 PM

I run a rescue, have over 30 years experience in herping and I still don't feel that I will ever own a giant boid. It is irresponsible of a 5'1 woman in a wheelchair who lives alone to keep any animal that is physically capable of overpowering her.

Even in my rescue, I only take in recent post-operative cases that need a lot of medical attention and just don't have the energy to wrap me. The cases I accept are animals who will be going back to their owners once the owners feel comfortable administering the necessary care.

There are many life situations that SHOULD prevent people from getting animals such as burms or carpets. A permit system might be the best solution to weeding out some of the folks who should be keeping other species instead. Even so, there will still be a problem with folks keeping them illegally.

Andy, as a side note, over 80% of the animals I am asked to take into my rescue come from owners under the age of 25. I'm not saying this to be "ageist", it's just an observation of my personal experience. Folks who own their own homes are the least likely folks to give up their animals in my experience, and there are few people in that age bracket who are able to own their own property.

Andy · 03-01-03, 03:43 PM

Under 25 and teenagers are different though are they not? I can see the under the age of 25 thing. Last year I (19 at the time) got a rescue 13 ft. burm from a 50 year old women, what does that mean? Nothing really.

Some people shouldn't keep big snakes, its a responsiblity/comfortability thing, not an age thing.

ballpython5000 · 03-01-03, 03:56 PM

well lets put it this way, they get them as kids but dump them as adults. so it is not kids dumping them it is adults! i guess we got that going for us now. i guess maybe we teenagers should attack adults and say they should absolutly never ever own a large boid becuase they are prone to dumping them. sounds actually pretty logical.