Goanna Lizard Wanted !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jhinton6932]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varan...-few-pics.html

~Maggot

lol geez i missed some funny things while away. honestly tho, besides the crap substrate, the claim a burrow is 100% himidity (implying its underwater), the lack of things to dig under, what are the dimensions of that enclosure? a female sav sometimes only hits about 3 foot and can be kept in a 5x5 easily with no ill effect on the animal. but im not guna lurk through posts and decipher if that animal was male of female. just assume any new monitor is guna grow up to be a big boy and plan accordingly.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by jhinton6932

lol geez i missed some funny things while away. honestly tho, besides the crap substrate, the claim a burrow is 100% himidity (implying its underwater), the lack of things to dig under, what are the dimensions of that enclosure? a female sav sometimes only hits about 3 foot and can be kept in a 5x5 easily with no ill effect on the animal. but im not guna lurk through posts and decipher if that animal was male of female. just assume any new monitor is guna grow up to be a big boy and plan accordingly.

Not trying to stir the pot... But 100% humidity simply means that the air has reached the saturation point.

My Digital hygrometer maxes out when I set it inside a burrow.

There are other factors involved, Dew Point for instance, Barometric pressure fluctuates, so the amount of water the air can actually hold varies with it.

[jhinton6932]

Originally Posted by infernalis

Not trying to stir the pot... But 100% humidity simply means that the air has reached the saturation point.

My Digital hygrometer maxes out when I set it inside a burrow.

There are other factors involved, Dew Point for instance, Barometric pressure fluctuates, so the amount of water the air can actually hold varies with it.

i got ya, just ignore the 100% humidity comment then, hence why im not a weather man ^_^

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by jhinton6932

holy cow! and your in the US? if i had 25K just floating around willy nilly, id probably be interested, but thats a pipe dream atm beautiful! how do you actually get them as reptile exports from aussie are illegal, so dont they have to get here illegally initially, be bred in captivity, and then through some loop hole, one can keep them? kinda like how it happened with beardies back in the 60's-70's

EDIT im not saying you did anything illegal! as you have CITIES documentation! just curious as how the import and export from aussie affords us the privilege of keeping these without breaking some law of some sort

Importing from Australia is illegal, but importing from established lines in Germany is not. I believe that's where these were from, if I remember right.

[infernalis]

I was going to say just that... There are Lacies in Europe, No laws protecting the CBB animals from that Continent.

[jhinton6932]

well V. varius naturally occurs in aussie. so howd they get to europe? its a loophole in the law. transport X animal to europe. breed. now its CCB. export X animal to other countries.? get it?

think its awsome by the way, the lacies! they are very beautiful animals. im just curious as to how we got them, so the fact they come from europe makes sense. as to how they got europe, dont know and dont care

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by jhinton6932

well V. varius naturally occurs in aussie. so howd they get to europe? its a loophole in the law. transport X animal to europe. breed. now its CCB. export X animal to other countries.? get it?

It's the same deal as the federally protected San Francisco garter snake. It's a felony crime to molest, poach or transport any animals within the confines of the United States, but it's a free market in any other country.

A few snakes were sent to Holland many years ago, every single specimen circulating is a direct descendant of those snakes.

Those Lacies found their way into Europe years ago when it WAS legal to take them, then subsequently bred from there.

[jhinton6932]

well good thing they made it to europe i suppose, and yes i do think strong export laws are a great thing, look at the indo reptile trade...its out of control on some islands. anyway, yea hijak this thread since OP was obviously a troll or just delusional

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by jhinton6932

well good thing they made it to europe i suppose, and yes i do think strong export laws are a great thing, look at the indo reptile trade...its out of control on some islands. anyway, yea hijak this thread since OP was obviously a troll or just delusional

Yes, Thankfully the European animals did well. The Arizona batch does not seem to have any descendants circulating in America.

Although if you chose to listen to a certain someone in Arizona, They should be literally all over Craig's list looking for homes because he produced so many.

Puzzling isn't it.

[crocdoc]

Originally Posted by infernalis

Those Lacies found their way into Europe years ago when it WAS legal to take them...

No, they didn't. It's been illegal to take them out of Australia for a very long time, way before anyone over there bred them. I know the first person to have bred lace monitors in Europe (the only legal founder stock there) and these are not from his bloodline. These animals have been 'laundered'. It's most likely the founder stock consisted of smuggled animals or someone abused their class A zoo privileges and released them into the private trade, which is frowned upon.

[jhinton6932]

Originally Posted by infernalis

Yes, Thankfully the European animals did well. The Arizona batch does not seem to have any descendants circulating in America.

Although if you chose to listen to a certain someone in Arizona, They should be literally all over Craig's list looking for homes because he produced so many.

Puzzling isn't it.

ah yes i know the fellow you speak of, the one who will criticize anyone for anything at anytime for any reason, becuz after all, he is a descended from varanus giganteus ego

[jhinton6932]

Originally Posted by crocdoc

No, they didn't. It's been illegal to take them out of Australia for a very long time, way before anyone over there bred them. I know the first person to have bred lace monitors in Europe (the only legal founder stock there) and these are not from his bloodline. These animals have been 'laundered'. It's most likely the founder stock consisted of smuggled animals or someone abused their class A zoo privileges and released them into the private trade, which is frowned upon.

THANKYOU CROCDOC! ive been searching for a little bit and everything ive read says its been illegal for DECADES. but laundering isnt all that uncommon, i mean it happened with beardies 40-50 years ago and look at the beardie trade now? so its two-fold tbh.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by crocdoc

No, they didn't. It's been illegal to take them out of Australia for a very long time, way before anyone over there bred them. I know the first person to have bred lace monitors in Europe (the only legal founder stock there) and these are not from his bloodline. These animals have been 'laundered'. It's most likely the founder stock consisted of smuggled animals or someone abused their class A zoo privileges and released them into the private trade, which is frowned upon.

Your vast knowledge on these subjects is always impressive. And informative.

[jhinton6932]

Originally Posted by infernalis

Your vast knowledge on these subjects is always impressive. And informative.

true that !

[Terranaut]

So just out of curiosity what does a normal lace monitor with proper paperwork go for? Are there any in Canada? I have been considering a monitor for a year at least but most just don't quite do it for me. Purchase price is also a big factor.